Author Topic: Your thoughts on McCain (Read 41650 times)

wacki · « **on:** February 10, 2008, 10:23:01 AM »

A lot of people on the right seem to HATE McCain. Limbaugh certainly seems to be a prime example of this. Yet is is probably the rights most electable candidate. I'm curious to know what the members of this forum think of him and more importantly... why they think that way.

The issues I hold most dear are energy and the bill of rights. I have personally been impressed with his knowledge of energy and environmental issues. What McCain says about our energy problems tend to parallel with what the scientific community says much more than what Obama and even Hillary says. I know some members here quibble about McCain's 2A stances but I'm not very well versed on this issue. What he says here could be improved but at least he has a history of opposing assault weapons and ammunition restrictions.
http://www.ontheissues.org/John_McCain.htm

He seems a hell of a lot better than Hillery or (center fire banning) Obama to me.

Please correct me where I might be wrong or expound with your own supported-opinions.

cassandra and sara's daddy · « **Reply #1 on:** February 10, 2008, 11:05:33 AM »

i like him

SomeKid · « **Reply #2 on:** February 10, 2008, 11:29:08 AM »

My thoughts are pretty simple.

I wish he was still in Vietnam. Dead, or POW, it is just as good to me.

HankB · « **Reply #3 on:** February 10, 2008, 11:48:10 AM »

McCain isn't bad on RKBA. Not perfect, but he rates at least a B+ grade.

On illegal immigration . . . F-

On 1st Amendment . . . F -

On taxes . . . F

grislyatoms · « **Reply #4 on:** February 10, 2008, 11:53:34 AM »

Immigration and McCain-Feingold come to mind...

Manedwolf · « **Reply #5 on:** February 10, 2008, 12:00:33 PM »

Absolute fail on the amnesty for illegals.

And I don't think he'll even bring up 2A, not like Huckabee would. If anything, he'd probably just sign an AWB II.

Bigjake · « **Reply #6 on:** February 10, 2008, 12:15:42 PM »

He drank the global warming koolaid and is 100% wrong on the border, just to name a couple big issues He's on the wrong side of...

Bogie · « **Reply #7 on:** February 10, 2008, 12:59:41 PM »

Yeah, but he's better than Hillary and Obama combined.

Manedwolf · « **Reply #8 on:** February 10, 2008, 01:01:06 PM »

Quote from: Bogie on February 10, 2008, 11:59:41 AM

Yeah, but he's better than Hillary and Obama combined.

Yes. Hillary or Obama would result in the destruction of America as we know it.

McCain would just result in four more years of the same blah that's going on now, nothing new.

It's not ideal, but...it's better than the alternative.

I do still think Huckabee would do a much better job.

Iain · « **Reply #9 on:** February 10, 2008, 01:36:30 PM »

I read an abridged version of his experiences as a Vietnamese POW today. To be physically walking, and mentally functioning after that says impressive things about his character.

That and there is a certain amount of schadenfreude over his (presumed) nomination. Not that I wish you guys ill, but he isn't the candidate many seemed to think the country was ready for. That and the allegation that he has drunk certain 'kool aid'.

Quote from: SomeKid on February 10, 2008, 10:29:08 AM

My thoughts are pretty simple.

Simple enough that you should probably keep them to yourself. At least until you've added the complications that are respect and decency.

beatnik · « **Reply #10 on:** February 10, 2008, 01:40:09 PM »

Quote from: Manedwolf on February 10, 2008, 12:01:06 PM

Quote from: Bogie on February 10, 2008, 11:59:41 AM

Yeah, but he's better than Hillary and Obama combined.

McCain would just result in four more years of the same blah that's going on now, nothing new.

Uh-huh...
which means after four years we'll see all other goods and services catch up with the tanking dollar,
but the same failed economic policy will kick in again and put gas somewhere around $6 a gallon,
metals will go up another 60-100%,
we'll have at least one new front to the "war",
about 3000 more dead soldiers,
PLUS the other non-Bush stuff, like:
Higher taxes,
AWBII signed,
lots of new socialist programs in a deal to get his bomb-bomb-bomb, bomb-bomb Iran going on...

...et cetera.
Sounds like a dream candidate to me.

The first thing a democrat is going to do in office is mandate federal funding for 9th trimester abortions without parental consent. Then the country will react by kicking them out of congress in two years, and we'll have two years of stagnation.

I'll take that over McCain, thank you.

beatnik · « **Reply #11 on:** February 10, 2008, 01:42:23 PM »

Quote from: Iain on February 10, 2008, 12:36:30 PM

Simple enough that you should probably keep them to yourself. At least until you've added the complications that are respect and decency.

He'd get my respect if he wasn't hellbent on putting today's young people in the same situation.

Manedwolf · « **Reply #12 on:** February 10, 2008, 01:44:29 PM »

Quote from: beatnik on February 10, 2008, 12:40:09 PM

metals will go up another 60-100%,

I sure hope they do! I'll have lots of money. cheesy

grislyatoms · « **Reply #13 on:** February 10, 2008, 01:46:19 PM »

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9th trimester abortions

Damn, that's a long pregnancy... laugh

Bogie · « **Reply #14 on:** February 10, 2008, 01:50:10 PM »

Someone used the "A" word...

Hmm... What if Hitler...

(grin)

You know, just for once, I'd love to see a candidate get up and say "If I'm elected, I'm gonna go to a lot of meetings, and shake a lot of hands, and other than that, do absolutely nothing. We've got enough laws to keep everyone busy for a while."

Zardozimo Oprah Bannedalas · « **Reply #15 on:** February 10, 2008, 01:53:38 PM »

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A lot of people on the right seem to HATE McCain. Limbaugh certainly seems to be a prime example of this.

That would be McCain-Feingold, above all else. Several instances of him siding with the Dems, thus his 'Maverick' status. A 'Maverick' is a higher caste of 'moderate', I suppose.

He seems to have a better stance on abortion and 2A than Romney did... but I think Romney changed. Since McCain has a history of jumping party lines from time to time, there's probably no telling what he'd do when faced with those issues. Opposing the AWB probably had more to do with him being senator from Arizona than any opinions on the issue.

McCain gives me the feeling of being somebody in the Clinton mold - opinions on the issues come from polls alone. We'd possibly be better off with Hillary and a GOP congress than McCain and a GOP congress... aside from the Supreme Court issue. Still, most of the justices there now were put in place by Republican presidents, IIRC - and look how well some of them have turned out.

wacki · « **Reply #16 on:** February 10, 2008, 02:22:22 PM »

Quote from: SomeKid on February 10, 2008, 10:29:08 AM

My thoughts are pretty simple.

I wish he was still in Vietnam. Dead, or POW, it is just as good to me.

I find this kind of hate curious. Please explain why.

brer · « **Reply #17 on:** February 10, 2008, 02:23:02 PM »

I think there are only two honest republicans in the race. McCain is one of them. His political views may be different than ours, but he has always been true to his word and not bought up like most of the others.

His war record speaks for itself. He has pretty much earned the right to say anything he wants to.

wacki · « **Reply #18 on:** February 10, 2008, 02:31:50 PM »

Quote from: HankB on February 10, 2008, 10:48:10 AM

On 1st Amendment . . . F -

HankB, I hold the 1st, as well as all of the BoR, very dear to my heart. Care to explain?

Tecumseh · « **Reply #19 on:** February 10, 2008, 02:42:17 PM »

I believe he is nothing but a hypocrite. I am sorry but he opposes freedom and loves corporate sponsorship. He sold his country out a long time ago. McCain Feingold is but the tip of the iceberg.

Who cares that the man was a POW, does that mean he will make a good POTUS?

wacki · « **Reply #20 on:** February 10, 2008, 02:44:15 PM »

I hope this doesn't derail the thread but.....

Quote from: Bigjake on February 10, 2008, 11:15:42 AM

He drank the global warming koolaid

It is undeniable that he is on the side of the scientific community:
http://www.logicalscience.com/consensus/consensusD1.htm

We can save the debate on the science for another thread but the existence of a consensus among WORKING scientists should be obvious. The best anti-consensus list (the 400 one) to date contains mostly economists, emeritus, TV meteorologists/personalities and even a few British TV gardeners. Although there are exceptions on the list, the vast majority of these 400 do not have a publishing record. That list may look impressive to laymen but economists and TV weathermen generally don't have enough educational background for even a B.Sc. in the hard sciences like biology, geology, etc. So if McCain drank the kool-aid then so did 99.5% of the worlds hard scientists and 50,000+ American Geophysical Union members.

I do not want to debate if anthropogenic global warming is true or not in this thread. We can do that in other threads. I'm simply pointing out that many of his environmental/energy positions are supported by the vast majority of the scientific community.

FYI: soft sciences = psychology and maybe economics as there is often room for debate and ambiguity. hard sciences = biology, chemistry, etc.

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and is 100% wrong on the border, just to name a couple big issues He's on the wrong side of...

I'd love to know more.

wacki · « **Reply #21 on:** February 10, 2008, 02:48:42 PM »

Why does everyone here despise McCain-Feingold so much?

Finch · « **Reply #22 on:** February 10, 2008, 02:49:38 PM »

Quote from: brer on February 10, 2008, 01:23:02 PM

His war record speaks for itself. He has pretty much earned the right to say anything he wants to.

We all have that right, we don't need a war record to use it. And I don't care if McCain has a great war record. That does not automatically mean he understands what this republic is supposed to be. And if his support for past legislation is any indication of what kind of president he will be, I think he may destroy the constitution more than Bush has.

grislyatoms · « **Reply #23 on:** February 10, 2008, 02:54:48 PM »

Quote from: wacki on February 10, 2008, 01:48:42 PM

Why does everyone here despise McCain-Feingold so much?

Restricts the 1st amendment.

Manedwolf · « **Reply #24 on:** February 10, 2008, 02:56:33 PM »

Quote from: brer on February 10, 2008, 01:23:02 PM

His war record speaks for itself. He has pretty much earned the right to say anything he wants to.

What, that he got shot down?

What about all the other pilots who served, bombed lots of enemy positions, shot down lots of MiGs and didn't get shot down?

Why does that make him special vs. all the others? Being shot down and being a POW makes you an infallable politician who can speak no wrong? Honestly, WTF?

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Author Topic: Your thoughts on McCain (Read 41650 times)

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