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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #75 on: August 10, 2022, 08:23:57 AM »

Business opportunity: provide strong encryption for cell phones with no "back door."

(Wasn't there a controversy a couple of years ago when fed.gov was unable to crack an I-Phone they'd seized - and Apple wouldn't help them?)

I can't remember the link anymore, but like a year or two ago, perd posted a link to some guy who tells you how or will do it for you and also sells smartphones that are completely locked down from snoopers. I've on occasion thought that would be a good investment.

I'm still befuddled that Blackberry is essentially out of business in the consumer phone marketplace. They (and Nextel) used to be the standard when I first started getting issued a gov phone. One would think given the environment today, that somebody offering a secure phone that still lets you do most smart phone stuff would be making a killing.
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #76 on: August 10, 2022, 09:02:50 AM »

Samsung makes Galaxy phones that meet DOD encryption standards for holding Secret info, accessing SIPR, and access to TS LAN networks (think local vehicle information sharing and drone feed access)  I'd bet we don't do that on stuff the FBI can get into.

ETA:  You can't buy one, of course, I was just pointing out that such security does exist on Android, so someone could build the same level of security into a phone and sell it to the public.  I suspect if you tried though, you'd find yourself on the receiving end of your own FBI raid.

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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #77 on: August 10, 2022, 09:14:41 AM »

Business opportunity: provide strong encryption for cell phones with no "back door."

(Wasn't there a controversy a couple of years ago when fed.gov was unable to crack an I-Phone they'd seized - and Apple wouldn't help them?)

IIRC I believe you're referring to the San Bernardino Islamic terrorism shooting where they found the guy's phone and they wanted to know who he and his wife had been in contact with and Apple wouldn't give them the access.
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #78 on: August 10, 2022, 09:16:13 AM »

Samsung makes Galaxy phones that meet DOD encryption standards for holding Secret info, accessing SIPR, and access to TS LAN networks (think local vehicle information sharing and drone feed access)  I'd bet we don't do that on stuff the FBI can get into.

ETA:  You can't buy one, of course, I was just pointing out that such security does exist on Android, so someone could build the same level of security into a phone and sell it to the public.  I suspect if you tried though, you'd find yourself on the receiving end of your own FBI raid.

We were just getting into "you can have a smartphone if you want" around a year before I separated, but they were so locked down that pretty much everything you get a smartphone for was useless. I ended up keeping my issued flip phone and additionally carried my personal smartphone.

I recognize that Android phones can be well-secured, but it's kind of a hassle for your average user. It seems like a ubiquitously available secure platform that doesn't overly constrict funcionality would be a good seller on the consumer market, but maybe your average person just doesn't care that much.
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #79 on: August 10, 2022, 09:29:47 AM »

Wasn't just a quick visit according to this, they were there all day and even went through Melania's clothes
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According to the latest information Devine learned, the FBI spent "hours" — agents were there from 9:00 a.m. to 6:30 p.m. — as they "scoured Melania Trump’s wardrobe and spent several hours combing through Donald Trump’s private office" and other private areas of the Trumps' vast Mar-A-Lago estate based on a warrant that "focused solely on presidential records and evidence of classified information being stored there."

Says over 30 agents

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It was also reported that the FBI agents conducting the raid refused to allow President Trump's attorneys to observe their search — providing an opportunity to plant evidence, though no such accusations have been lodged so far. An accompanying request to disable security cameras on the property was refused by Trump's team, according to Devine.

FBI 'Scoured' Melania's Wardrobe at Mar-A-Lago Looking for... Classified Shoes?
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/spencerbrown/2022/08/10/fbi-scoured-melanias-wardrobe-at-mar-a-lago-looking-for-classified-shoes-n2611526
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #80 on: August 10, 2022, 09:37:48 AM »

Wasn't just a quick visit according to this, they were there all day and even went through Melania's clothes
Says over 30 agents

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FBI 'Scoured' Melania's Wardrobe at Mar-A-Lago Looking for... Classified Shoes?
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/spencerbrown/2022/08/10/fbi-scoured-melanias-wardrobe-at-mar-a-lago-looking-for-classified-shoes-n2611526
Maybe they were looking for Don and Melania's phones . . .

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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #81 on: August 10, 2022, 09:52:46 AM »

We were just getting into "you can have a smartphone if you want" around a year before I separated, but they were so locked down that pretty much everything you get a smartphone for was useless. I ended up keeping my issued flip phone and additionally carried my personal smartphone.

I recognize that Android phones can be well-secured, but it's kind of a hassle for your average user. It seems like a ubiquitously available secure platform that doesn't overly constrict funcionality would be a good seller on the consumer market, but maybe your average person just doesn't care that much.

The one SIPR GS9 I used was pretty much just like a normal phone.  Password only, no fingerprint unlock, and obviously it wouldn't go to the Play store and download RAID: Shadow Legends, but in use it was pretty normal to use.  I'm told the new GS20's are even better to use, but I haven't seen one in the flesh.

In general though, you can have secure, or you can have easy to use, not both.  It's a moot point though, because 99.9% of all smartphone users could have the most secure phone possible, and they'd install unknown 3rd party apps on the first day (coughTikTokcough)  I think you've hit the nail on the head.  The average person is not concerned about keeping a .gov level intruder out of their phone.

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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #82 on: August 10, 2022, 10:02:40 AM »

. . . I think you've hit the nail on the head.  The average person is not concerned about keeping a .gov level intruder out of their phone.
I think you're correct on this point - but someone who's active politically would. So the market would be congresscritters, some of the few remaining actual journalists around (e.g., Project Veritas people), prominent non-Democrat politicians and political operatives like campaign managers, EVERY former Trump administration employee and associate who hasn't denounced The Donald, practicing attorneys, parents who've opposed school policies ranging from masks to drag queen shows for their kids, etc.

Or maybe they'll just use "burner" phones for contacts they want to keep on the down low, and destroy those after every few hours of use.
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #83 on: August 10, 2022, 11:11:32 AM »

IV:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Oh, but that's just part of that 230 year old piece of paper, so who cares? Besides, we need something beyond mere IRS audits to screw someone over.

And "cardboard boxes" is a particular description, no?

And so is "telephone records."

And so is "your house"

And your "pickup truck."

"unreasonable searches and seizures" is what they called "fishing expeditions" back in 1790.

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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #84 on: August 10, 2022, 11:31:49 AM »

Hank, I agree that it would make sense for the people you described to want some data security, but in practice almost none of them actually buy one of the several secure phones in existence already, or even use one of the several programs offering enterprise level encryption for voice coms and messaging.  WhatsApp is about as secure as people seem to be willing to go (which at least will require the physical device, rather than letting your provider print out all your messages and hand it to LE).

Just a few of the currently available options:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/303307681294

https://puri.sm/products/librem-5-usa/

https://shop.sirinlabs.com/products/finney

Like I said, I've only been hands on with a DOD owned Samsung and it worked fine. But people don't, in practice, seem to care enough to buy a secure phone and put up with not having access to every little cool tech feature Apple slams into the new iPhone.  Congress critters seem to be worse than average about not caring about security, not better.  It defies logic, but market forces don't lie.


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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #85 on: August 10, 2022, 01:30:33 PM »

I didn't peruse this entire thread so maybe what I'll say has been brought up.

It seems to me that because Trump's lawyers were ejected and not allowed to watch the proceedings nor were they allowed to view what items were confiscated, unable to document if the only places they searched and or confiscated were spelled out in the warrant that any and all objects taken by the FBI would be inadmissible in any sort of criminal charge as those objects would be considered "Fruit of the Poisonous Tree" as the FBI violated Trump's right to have his attorney's present.

Of course that would depend on how corrupt the judge is who would decide on these things.
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #86 on: August 10, 2022, 01:40:19 PM »

Once the warrant is served is there any legal requirement that the person themselves be allowed to stay?  Much less the person's representatives?

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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #87 on: August 10, 2022, 01:55:55 PM »

I didn't peruse this entire thread so maybe what I'll say has been brought up.

It seems to me that because Trump's lawyers were ejected and not allowed to watch the proceedings nor were they allowed to view what items were confiscated, unable to document if the only places they searched and or confiscated were spelled out in the warrant that any and all objects taken by the FBI would be inadmissible in any sort of criminal charge as those objects would be considered "Fruit of the Poisonous Tree" as the FBI violated Trump's right to have his attorney's present.

Of course that would depend on how corrupt the judge is who would decide on these things.

They don’t care.  As long they get something to make him electoral kryptonite they’ve succeeded.

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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #88 on: August 10, 2022, 02:20:37 PM »

If Trump isn't electoral kryptonite already, nothing in those boxes will make him become it.  The true believers on both sides are beyond any new info changing their minds.

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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #89 on: August 10, 2022, 03:45:33 PM »

https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-informer-told-fbi-what-docs-trump-was-hiding-where-1732283

According to this article, there was an informant in the Trump camp and a Trump attorney was present during the search.
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #90 on: August 10, 2022, 04:43:26 PM »

I'm still befuddled that Blackberry is essentially out of business in the consumer phone marketplace. They (and Nextel) used to be the standard when I first started getting issued a gov phone.

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I see that I can upgrade our system to SYNC 3 but dunno if it's worth it on this 2013 SUV.
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #91 on: August 10, 2022, 04:44:45 PM »

This guy says it would be difficult for this to be corruption/political because of all the individual steps to get the warrant. Yet he does say that there is a high probability this went all the way to the AG for sign off. It will be interesting to see what's in the warrant when it becomes public.

Which aside from this particular bullshit, makes me glad Garland never made it to the SC. Between his attacks on parents and his continually identifying everyone and their brother as extremists, he appears to have quietly become one of the most political AGs ever.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/fbi-raids-trumps-mar-a-lago-unprecedented-agency-execute-search-warrant-former-president

Ought to be revealed soon, too. Look how soon the Roe v. Wade decision was leaked. Oh, wait! Wrong political direction! Sorry.

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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #92 on: August 10, 2022, 04:52:38 PM »

Sneaky thought I can't dispel:  "What if the attorney was the informer?"

(Assuming all suppositions are correct. This kind of laundry isn't drip-dry wrinkle-free.  What, you never heard of counter-counter-counter-counter counterintelligence operatives?)

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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #94 on: August 10, 2022, 09:47:55 PM »

We should all be thankful for Trump for saying some of the quiet stuff out loud. More people are in varying stages of being awake than there was before his presidency. That alone makes him a good if not great President. It was probably too little too late but it was something.   

Of course I voted for GW twice and now despise him greatly. There's a good chance that I'll despise Trump some day the same way once more info is leaked out. The flower fell off his bloom for me when he embraced the experimental gene therapy "vaccine". That's a big red flag I still can't get past.
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #95 on: August 10, 2022, 09:56:08 PM »

What if... the feebs are tired of the crap, and ensured that anything found wouldn't be allowed to be admissible?
 
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #96 on: August 10, 2022, 10:21:19 PM »

I can't remember the link anymore, but like a year or two ago, perd posted a link to some guy who tells you how or will do it for you and also sells smartphones that are completely locked down from snoopers. I've on occasion thought that would be a good investment.


Not sure if he's still doing it

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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #97 on: August 10, 2022, 10:27:35 PM »

We should all be thankful for Trump for saying some of the quiet stuff out loud.

What quiet things?

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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #98 on: August 10, 2022, 11:00:44 PM »

I don't know if it was what Trump said or just the leftist's reaction to him.  The left's reaction to him was to almost completely drop any illusion of being centrist or moderate.  They all started acting and speaking as hard leftists and showed a very hard authoritarian view.  I am not sure we have yet seen the full public response to that.  I think a lot of the exposure to that has generated a great deal of amateur response on YouTube and other platforms that has exposed a lot of stuff people didn't realize.  It has kicked off independent outfits like Daily Wire.  I don't think we have seen the end of that trend. 

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