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I am voting for Obama
« on: June 20, 2008, 06:32:12 PM »
I am a "multiple" gun owner. I support every aspect of the right to bear arms. In fact, for the most part, I think we should be able to own any gun that the governement owns. And, I will be voting for Barack Obama. I give Barack money and support. I also try to influence every undecided voter I meet to vote for Barack Obama.

Here is why:
I agree with his stance on the Iraq war. He made a good judgement call on that topic when no one else was thinking independently.
I am a huge fan of his anti-corruption agenda. He has had a good intiative and legislation on campaign finance transparency. I believe he is really dedicated to eliminating the special interest choke hold of corruption on Washington.
I like his single payer health plan formula for children and under-priveldged families. It is the most like Mitt Romney's successful Massachusetts state health care system.
The only thing that I am not sure of is how well he will do on the economy. However, I believe in his good judgement enough to think that he will surround himself with the right people to advise him. Also, he will not allow the special interests, oil companies and defense contractors to continue to rob us blind.
I like that the vast majority of Barack's campaign finance is coming from everyday people like us and not special interest.

Now here is why I don't think Barack will be a problem for gun owners:
I think any threats to gun owners and gun rights will have to come from congress. They are the legislators. I believe that even if Barack goes for 8 years that he has far too many hot topics on his plate to champion anything on the gun ownership topic. Obviously, I am not certain of this, but I believe this will prove true.

My main gripe with Mc Cain is not his past track record. In the past he has been firmly in the middle on most issues and I feel like he has always voted his concious in congress. My gripe with Mc Cain is that I think he has sold out his own ideals in order to get elected. He was tough on the Washington Lobby and he did not buckle to the whims of special interest groups. Now there are lobbyists throughout his campaign and he is kissing up to all of the special interest groups that he used to shun. I think he is taking big money from powerful people who will expect reciprication when he is in office..

There you have it. That is how I feel about the upcoming election. I look forward to hearing how each of you feel. It would be great if we could just all state how we feel and why and avoid spin, smears and attacks.
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Re: I am voting for Obama
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2008, 06:38:37 PM »
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There you have it. That is how I feel about the upcoming election. I look forward to hearing how each of you feel. It would be great if we could just all state how we feel and why and avoid spin, smears and attacks.

That's about par for the Obama course. Do you know his voting record? His past associations with terrorists and radical racist hate-mongers? Have you noticed his numerous lies, and the way he speaks on the stump as opposed to the way he speaks in private? Does it bother you that a man who is constantly speaking of his ability to unite us was the most radical leftist during his brief time in the Senate?

Of course not. Very few people who love Obama actually know what he stands for. But he makes them feel good. That's just not enough.
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Re: I am voting for Obama
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2008, 06:40:29 PM »
I am interested in hearing about any specifics you have on those votes
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Re: I am voting for Obama
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2008, 06:41:05 PM »
you do know he flipped flopped today on his "pledge" for public finance
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Re: I am voting for Obama
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2008, 06:50:04 PM »
I never got past the "anti-corruption" bit in the before I burst out laughing.

Seriously, he is a machine pol from Chicago

Good try, Seminar Poster, but no cigar.
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Re: I am voting for Obama
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2008, 07:16:29 PM »
How about "no."

Obama comes from a background that is generally hostile to our interests. I dont believe that he truely supports the 2nd, he is only paying lip service to it at the moment.

I'm more worried about congress at the moment, right now they wont risk things because it would get vetoed, but with a Democrat Congress and President bad things could happen.

I've got no problems with McCain, he has repeatedly stated that the 2nd amendment isnt about hunting as Obama and the like claim its about.
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Re: I am voting for Obama
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2008, 07:23:32 PM »
Obama's Revisionist History
By KARL ROVE
May 29, 2008; Page A15

This week's minor controversy about Barack Obama's claim that an uncle liberated Auschwitz was quickly put to rest by his campaign. They conceded that it was a great uncle whose unit liberated Buchenwald, 500 miles away.

But other, much more troubling, episodes have provided a revealing glimpse into a candidate who instinctively resorts to parsing, evasions and misdirection. The saga over Rev. Jeremiah Wright is Exhibit A. In just 62 days, Americans were treated to eight different explanations.

First, on Feb. 25, Mr. Obama downplayed Rev. Wright's divisiveness, saying he was "like an old uncle who sometimes will say things that I don't agree with." A week later, Mr. Obama insisted, "I don't think my church is actually particularly controversial," suggesting that Rev. Wright was criticized because "he was one of the leaders in calling for divestment from South Africa and some other issues like that."

The issue exploded on March 13, when ABC showed excerpts from Rev. Wright's sermons. Mr. Obama's spokesman said the senator "deeply disagrees" with Rev. Wright's statements, but "now that he is retired, that doesn't detract from Sen. Obama's affection for Rev. Wright or his appreciation for the good works he has done."

The next day, Mr. Obama offered a fourth defense: "The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation." Mr. Obama also told the Chicago Tribune, "In fairness to him, this was sort of a greatest hits. They basically culled five or six sermons out of 30 years of preaching."

Then, four days later, in Philadelphia, Mr. Obama finally repudiated Rev. Wright's comments, saying they "denigrate both the greatness and the goodness of our nation." But Mr. Obama went on to say, "I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother. . . ."

Ten days later, Mr. Obama said if Rev. Wright had not retired as Trinity's pastor, and "had he not acknowledged that what he had said had deeply offended . . . then I wouldn't have felt comfortable staying there at the church." (Never mind that Rev. Wright had made no such acknowledgment.)

On April 28, at the National Press Club, Rev. Wright re-emerged  not to apologize but to repeat some of his most offensive lines. This provoked an eighth defense: "[W]hatever relationship I had with Rev. Wright has changed, as a consequence of this. I don't think that he showed much concern for me. More importantly, I don't think he showed much concern for what we are trying to do in this campaign . . . ." Self-interest is a powerful, but not noble, sentiment in politics.

The Rev. Wright affair is just one instance where the Illinois senator has said something wrong or offensive, and then offered shifting explanations for his views. Consider flag pins.

Mr. Obama told an Iowa radio station last October he didn't wear an American flag lapel pin because, after 9/11, it had "became a substitute for I think true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues . . . ." His campaign issued a statement that "Senator Obama believes that being a patriot is about more than a symbol." To highlight his own moral superiority, he denigrated the patriotism of those who wore a flag.

Yet by April, campaigning in culturally conservative Pennsylvania, Mr. Obama was blaming others for the controversy he'd created, claiming, "I have never said that I don't wear flag pins or refuse to wear flag pins. This is the kind of manufactured issue that our politics has become obsessed with and, once again, distracts us . . . ." A month later Mr. Obama was once again wearing a pin, saying "Sometimes I wear it, sometimes I don't."

The Obama revision tour has been seen elsewhere. Last July, Mr. Obama pledged to meet personally and without precondition, during his first year, the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea. Criticized afterwards, he made his pledge more explicitly, naming Iranian President Ahmadinejad and Venezuela strongman Hugo Chávez as leaders he would grace with first-year visits.

By October, Mr. Obama was backpedaling, talking about needing "some progress or some indication of good faith," and by April, "sufficient preparation." It got so bad his foreign policy advisers were (falsely) denying he'd ever said he'd meet with Mr. Ahmadinejad  even as he still defended his original pledge to have meetings without precondition.

The list goes on. Mr. Obama's problem is a campaign that's personality-driven rather than idea-driven. Thus incidents calling into question his persona and character can have especially devastating consequences.

Stripped of his mystique as a different kind of office seeker, he could become just another liberal politician  only one who parses, evades, dissembles and condescends. That narrative is beginning to take hold. If those impressions harden into firm judgments, Mr. Obama will have a very difficult time in November.
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Re: I am voting for Obama
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2008, 07:36:42 PM »
How about "no."

Obama comes from a background that is generally hostile to our interests. I dont believe that he truely supports the 2nd, he is only paying lip service to it at the moment.

I'm more worried about congress at the moment, right now they wont risk things because it would get vetoed, but with a Democrat Congress and President bad things could happen.

I've got no problems with McCain, he has repeatedly stated that the 2nd amendment isnt about hunting as Obama and the like claim its about.

I am hoping the congress learned their lesson after the last time we booted them all out over gun rights. I saw a couple interviews of deposed representative were very lucent about why they lost thier seat. I hope our message was loud and clear. If not, I guess we shall have to throw them out again so that they know we are not going away anytime soon.
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Re: I am voting for Obama
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2008, 08:08:22 PM »
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I agree with his stance on the Iraq war. He made a good judgement call on that topic when no one else was thinking independently.


There were MILLIONS of people opposing the Iraq War from the very beginning.  Unless you have some more specific information, I don't know how you come to the conclusion that Obama was thinking independently, rather than going along with other people he respected, or simply playing to the crowd.  And if he was exercising such considered and independent judgment, where is this great wealth of foreign policy wisdom today?  He's not exactly wowing us with his expertise on that topic. 
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« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2008, 08:18:42 PM »
1. Obama has stated clearly that he opposes concealed carry, as well as ownership of handguns. Congress seems to be holding back for now on the gun control measures, but give them Obama in the white house, and we will get no rest staying on top of the bills they will be pushing. Sooner or later, something horrible will be passed in the wee hours of the night.
2. I will NEVER vote for any politician who has been a part of Chicago politics.
3. He's quite clearly lied about personal issues, in order to gain favor in this election.
4. His past associations show him to be either an astonishingly poor judge of character, or a racist on par with the KKK.
5. He is a hard core socialist.
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Re: I am voting for Obama
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2008, 08:57:20 PM »
5. He is a hard core socialist.

Exactly... If you study the man he is a charismatic socialist.  Appeal to the ignorant masses, gives them hope and change. What a freaking dill-weed.

I call a spade a spade and Obama is a socialist through and through.

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Re: I am voting for Obama
« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2008, 09:17:45 PM »
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There were MILLIONS of people opposing the Iraq War from the very beginning.  Unless you have some more specific information,

Uhhhhh, the 'specific information' is that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.  So, the question is, 'why are we there'Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?

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Re: I am voting for Obama
« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2008, 09:28:05 PM »
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Exactly... If you study the man he is a charismatic socialist.  Appeal to the ignorant masses, gives them hope and change. What a freaking dill-weed.

I call a spade a spade and Obama is a socialist through and through.

Really, charby?   Please explain, in detail, how Obama is a 'socialist, through and through'.   Can you do that, or do you just throw the same pejoratives that you hear on rightwing talkradio?


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Re: I am voting for Obama
« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2008, 09:29:37 PM »
I have a hard time seeing how Obama is all that different from John McCain-their policies are fundamentally the same, they just have arguments about how to implement them. 
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« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2008, 09:32:31 PM »
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I have a hard time seeing how Obama is all that different from John McCain-their policies are fundamentally the same, they just have arguments about how to implement them.

Obama will end the Iraq occupation.   McCain won't.  That's reason enough.
   

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Re: I am voting for Obama
« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2008, 09:33:52 PM »
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I have a hard time seeing how Obama is all that different from John McCain-their policies are fundamentally the same, they just have arguments about how to implement them.

Obama will end the Iraq occupation.   McCain won't.  That's reason enough.
   

That's a good point-but the problem is that Obama has been waffling on that lately, perhaps only to bolster his "tough guy" credentials, but still, he's definitely indicating that he won't decisively end the charade as originally promised.
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Re: I am voting for Obama
« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2008, 09:39:45 PM »
67% of the American people favor ending this 'war'.  I'm amazed that 33% are still caught up in some kind of patriotic bullshit.   Bush has already admitted that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.  So why are we there?

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Re: I am voting for Obama
« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2008, 09:43:49 PM »
67% of the American people favor ending this 'war'.  I'm amazed that 33% are still caught up in some kind of patriotic bullshit.   Bush has already admitted that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.  So why are we there?

Because we're building the infrastructure to make Iraq into the Japan of the middle east-ie, a nearby striking point for anyone who challenges US authority over the expansive natural resources.

There really is no other sane explanation for what's happening there. 
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« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2008, 10:07:35 PM »
There is no 'sane' explanation.  The American people have been taken for a ride, by Bush and a spineless Congress.  All that has really happened is that trillions of dollars have been transferred from the public treasury into private pockets.  Bush couldn't care less about the 4000 Americans (let alone the 500,000+) Iraqis that have died so far.  And I'm sure fed.gov expects us to pay for it.  I got news.   I'm not paying for squat.  I'm 62.   I want my Social Security cash.  I want my Medicare.  I want my Rx drugs.  I want every effing thing this administration has promised me.  And there are 76 million (or so) behind me.  So, go ahead, screw with us.  We're about 25% of the U.S. population.  We've got most of the money, most of the property, and probably most of the guns.

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« Reply #19 on: June 20, 2008, 10:50:03 PM »
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We've got most of the money, most of the property, and probably most of the guns.

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Re: I am voting for Obama
« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2008, 12:01:53 AM »
67% of the American people favor ending this 'war'.  I'm amazed that 33% are still caught up in some kind of patriotic bullshit.   Bush has already admitted that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.  So why are we there?

Maybe its more that 33% of people are actually intelligent enough to understand that you cannot just walk away from the mess without doing your best to clear it up?
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« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2008, 04:01:19 AM »
67% of the American people favor ending this 'war'.  I'm amazed that 33% are still caught up in some kind of patriotic bullshit.   Bush has already admitted that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.  So why are we there?


I'm amazed that you still think you can trot out that line about "Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11" as if you were actually making a point.  When did Bush "admit" that fact, and better yet, when did he say that Iraq was responsible for 9-11? 

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Re: I am voting for Obama
« Reply #22 on: June 21, 2008, 04:11:56 AM »
you do know he flipped flopped today on his "pledge" for public finance

Well, of course he did. He needs the hundreds of millions that George Soros will provide through individual "donors" without transparency.

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Re: I am voting for Obama
« Reply #23 on: June 21, 2008, 04:13:36 AM »
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Exactly... If you study the man he is a charismatic socialist.  Appeal to the ignorant masses, gives them hope and change. What a freaking dill-weed.

I call a spade a spade and Obama is a socialist through and through.

Really, charby?   Please explain, in detail, how Obama is a 'socialist, through and through'.   Can you do that, or do you just throw the same pejoratives that you hear on rightwing talkradio?


I think Charby's just been paying attention to what Obama actually has said. You, obviously, have not.

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Re: I am voting for Obama
« Reply #24 on: June 21, 2008, 04:26:59 AM »
Barry is a charming socialist, but his wife is a high-octane Marxist, and not that charming. grin

Barry's anti-corruption agenda? shocked  He is an agent of the Chicago Machine.  He bought a house from a bagman of the Chicago Mob.

Campaign finance?  His money comes from Soros and the Radical Chic (lead by IED maker and user Billy Ayers).

Health care?  Obama is a hard core smoker who wants you to be beholden to the government for medical care so the government can tell you what to do?  Need an operation?  Just sign here allowing us to search your home for anything we do not like, Bibles, guns, homeschooling supplies.

Barry has no understanding of how the economy works.  He is completely clueless on how business is conducted and prone to the magical thinking of socialists (go back and look at how he answers the capital gains tax cut questions).

Barry is a hypocrite on everything in his life.  He drove an SUV from Chicago to Springfield everyday when he was a state senator, commuted everyday from his condo on 54th in Chicago to Springfield.  And now he lectures us on how we cannot drive SUVs.

I'm no fan of McCain either, but an Obama Administration will bring criminals, terrorists, communists and all the fellow travellers of the Left into power.  McCain may be less than optimal and no Ronald Reagan, but he is not Obama.
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