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Barr is the best gun candidate?
« on: August 13, 2008, 11:16:51 AM »
Maybe I'm just looking for conspiracy, but it seems Schweitzer is doing this on purpose to help Obama even though he is kind of right.

http://www.missoulian.com/articles/2008/08/13/news/local/news03.txt

Schweitzer says Barr is best gun candidate
By CHARLES S. JOHNSON Missoulian State Bureau
      

HELENA - While defending Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's record, Gov. Brian Schweitzer said Tuesday that Montana voters whose main issue is guns might consider voting for Libertarian presidential candidate Bob Barr instead of either Obama or Republican John McCain.

Schweitzer said he doesn't believe McCain can point to any edge over Obama with voters on the gun issue because the Republican senator sponsored a 2004 amendment to require criminal background checks on all firearms transactions at gun shows.

Still, Schweitzer, a Democrat endorsed by the NRA, conceded that neither Obama nor McCain are the favorites of the NRA.
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If guns are your primary issue, you're probably not going to like either of these guys, Schweitzer said during an telephone news conference put on by the Obama campaign.

He said a third option for voters for whom guns is their primary issue is to vote for Barr, a former Georgia congressman, if you're absolutely not going to vote for McCain or Obama on guns.

The NRA has given Barr a grade of A-plus, while handing McCain a C and giving Obama an F for their votes on gun-related issues in Congress over the years.

Schweitzer, who said he enjoys going to gun shows, said McCain's amendment could have shut down them down in Montana and elsewhere.

As for Obama, Schweitzer said, He ain't going to take your gun away. He ain't ever going to take your gun away.

Obama also favors improving access to public lands for hunting, camping and fishing, Schweitzer said, contrary to the Bush administration's efforts to limit public access.

Obama campaign spokesman Caleb Weaver said later that he doesn't believe Schweitzer was really suggesting that Montanans vote for Barr.

My understanding is that Gov. Schweitzer's point was that gun owners have nothing to fear from Sen. Obama, and because Sen. McCain has also taken positions at odds with (the) NRA on some key issues, such as the gun show loophole, voters who make their decision only on the gun issue will find that neither McCain or Obama are entirely acceptable, Weaver said.

In response, Republican National Committee spokesman Bill Riggs said that Schweitzer knows that Obama is possibly the most anti-gun candidate to ever seek the presidency and even predicted he would not win Montana.

John McCain worked to ensure citizens continue to have the right to purchase firearms at gun shows by instituting an instant background check, Riggs said.

He said that Obama, in a questionnaire he filled out while running for the Illinois Senate, said he opposed the manufacture, sale, and possession of firearms Riggs called the news conference just more political posturing from the Obama campaign to try to divert attention from his actual record.

During the conference call, Steve Hildebrand, Obama's national deputy campaign manager, said the Obama campaign believes Montana is up for grabs along with six other states that often vote Republican for president - Alaska, Georgia, Indiana, North Carolina, North Dakota and Virginia. The Obama campaign believes they have a good chance of winning these seven state.

We are spending significant resources here, Hildebrand said. It's unmatched for a Democratic campaign in Montana. We have a giant volunteer structure.

Obama campaigned here three times in the primary election and spent the Fourth of July holiday in Butte with his wife and two children. Obama's national television ads have been running in Montana.

He said the campaign's goal is to have Montanans talking with each other about Obama.

So far, the campaign has 14,000 active volunteers in Montana, 1,100 team members and 40 team captains, said Mike Dorsey, Obama's Montana campaign director. Those numbers are expected to grow significantly between now and Nov. 4.

But those numbers today would enable the Obama campaign to knock on 363,000 doors of their neighbors and call 687,000 voters in their towns through the get-out-the-vote effort in a month, Dorsey said.

In addition, Dorsey announced that Obama's campaign has opened 10 more offices in addition to the six previously open in Billings, Bozeman, Butte, Great Falls, Helena and Missoula.

The newest Obama offices opened in Bigfork, Dillon, Glendive, Hamilton, Havre, Kalispell, Livingston, Miles City, Whitefish and Wolf Point.




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Re: Barr is the best gun candidate?
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2008, 01:16:23 PM »
Yes, Barr would be the best President. But he has no chance of winning in the current political climate.

We couldn't even get more than 15% of the supposed 'conservative' Republicans to vote for Ron Paul, how many votes of the general populace can Barr get?

Just vote for McCain.
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« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2008, 10:39:15 AM »
Heller 5-4.  Vote for McCain.
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« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2008, 10:51:20 AM »
Maybe this was worded badly but where was I asking who to vote for? 

The point was the statement smells like a ploy to try to get some folks whose major aversion to Obama is guns to realize they are screwed either way and should vote for the third party candidate, thereby most likely negating a vote for McCain.  There are a large number of folks like that in MT.  If the race is close a couple of percentage points voting libertarian might by themselves give Obama the race.

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« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2008, 11:06:52 AM »
Maybe this was worded badly but where was I asking who to vote for? 

The point was the statement smells like a ploy to try to get some folks whose major aversion to Obama is guns to realize they are screwed either way and should vote for the third party candidate, thereby most likely negating a vote for McCain.  There are a large number of folks like that in MT.  If the race is close a couple of percentage points voting libertarian might by themselves give Obama the race.
Read too much into the "even though he is kind of right" part.  Sorry.
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Re: Barr is the best gun candidate?
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2008, 01:42:19 PM »
Heller 5-4.  Vote for McCain.

I think McCain would do more to help the 4 than the 5......
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« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2008, 01:49:46 PM »
Heller 5-4.  Vote for McCain.

I think McCain would do more to help the 4 than the 5......

That's a chance we'll have to take.  Tell me, who do you think Obama will help?

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Re: Barr is the best gun candidate?
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2008, 02:37:34 PM »
Heller 5-4.  Vote for McCain.

I think McCain would do more to help the 4 than the 5......

That's a chance we'll have to take.  Tell me, who do you think Obama will help?

I always find it amusing when conservatives are puzzled that blacks keep voting Democrat no matter how much the donkeys screw them, then say things like this.

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Re: Barr is the best gun candidate?
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2008, 02:46:43 PM »
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"Republicans! Bending over and taking it without lube since the first Bush. Dwight Eisenhower."

Fixed.
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Re: Barr is the best gun candidate?
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2008, 02:54:12 PM »
Someone take the loco weed away from Schweitzer.  Obama would be the first socialist in history not to want to disarm the citizenry.

Barr is a dangerous distraction.  And memo to Barr: American won't vote for a mustachioed President in 2008.
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« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2008, 05:43:36 AM »
Heller 5-4.  Vote for McCain.

I think McCain would do more to help the 4 than the 5......

That's a chance we'll have to take.  Tell me, who do you think Obama will help?

I always find it amusing when conservatives are puzzled that blacks keep voting Democrat no matter how much the donkeys screw them, then say things like this.

"Republicans! Bending over and taking it without lube since the first Bush."

Except Conservatism really would help black as well as the rest of the country be more prosperous.  Black are actually voting for the worse candidate, not just the worst party.  This situation is different.  Your analogy might be correct if conservatives were voting for McCain while Obama is actually the best candidate.  That is simply not true.

It's not that blacks vote Democrat that we have a problem with.  It's that they are voting for people who willingly exploit them and keep them in a welfare state.  Voting GOP really would be a step in the right direction. 

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Re: Barr is the best gun candidate?
« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2008, 07:17:25 AM »
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It's not that blacks vote Democrat that we have a problem with.  It's that they are voting for people who willingly exploit them and keep them in a welfare state.  Voting GOP really would be a step in the right direction.


The Blacks keep voting Dem because the Dems helped them a lot in the 60's and you'd be blind not to see that.

The last time a significant pro-gun bill passed Congress it was in 1986.
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Re: Barr is the best gun candidate?
« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2008, 07:18:33 AM »
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It's not that blacks vote Democrat that we have a problem with.  It's that they are voting for people who willingly exploit them and keep them in a welfare state.  Voting GOP really would be a step in the right direction.


The Blacks keep voting Dem because the Dems helped them a lot in the 60's and you'd be blind not to see that.

The last time a significant pro-gun bill passed Congress it was in 1986.
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Pro-gun? 1986 was pro-gun?

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Barr is a dangerous distraction.  And memo to Barr: American won't vote for a mustachioed President in 2008.

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« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2008, 07:20:17 AM »
The Democratic party has single handedly ruined the black family and created the welfare entitlement attitude.

And I don't vote on gun issues only.

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« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2008, 07:21:18 AM »

Pro-gun? 1986 was pro-gun?

Well, for a lot of people it was. It repealed a lot of stuff that was very oppressive, and machineguns were a last-minute compromise that most of the gun rights people didn't care about at the time.

Or are you stating the Republicans never passed a really pro-gun bill?
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« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2008, 03:05:55 PM »
Micro: what'd Ike do that you find so offensive?
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« Reply #16 on: August 19, 2008, 03:55:37 PM »
Micro: what'd Ike do that you find so offensive?

Essentially, him doing nothing. If I know my history right, he had a 'don't rock the boat' policy WRT the status quo.

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Throughout his presidency, Eisenhower preached a doctrine of dynamic conservatism.

He continued all the major New Deal programs still in operation, especially Social Security. He expanded its programs and rolled them into a new cabinet-level agency, the Department of Health, Education and Welfare, while extending benefits to an additional ten million workers. His cabinet, consisting of several corporate executives and one labor leader, was dubbed by one journalist, "Eight millionaires and a plumber."[31]

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