Pending lawsuit regarding THR (Updated November 1, 2009)

[Kacecoyote]

THR refugee. What can I do to help?

[Nolo]

Mike, I thought of that, too.
But I really didn't want to add any fuel to the fire.

[Nick1911]

Don't trust anything you see on THR (or APS for that matter).  Any of it can be falsified with ease.

Everything is fine...

See how easy that was-mtnbkr

[K Frame]

And what Mtnbkr did leaves an obvious trace.

Actually entering someone's account by hijacking their password leaves a far less obvious trace.

[Nolo]

I find it amusing that Derek has put himself in a position to piss off a bunch of very smart individuals...


Nolo- Nogo....

[S. Williamson]

I have all of Derek's contact info, myself.  Out of courtesy to the mods, I won't post it.

Edit: *facepalm* Put the emphasis on the wrong word.

[K Frame]

I have all of Derek's contact info, myself.  Out of courtesy to the mods, I won't post it again...

Please see my note further down on this page...

I'll reiterate it here.

Anyone who posts Derek's contact information anywhere on this site will be immediately and permanently banned from APS.

[Balog]

That's a nasty thought, DZ hijacking Oleg's account and posting something inflammatory or illegal on it. We may need to email Oleg directly to verify that "his" posts are actually originating with him.

[Nick1911]

And what Mtnbkr did leaves an obvious trace.

Actually entering someone's account by hijacking their password leaves a far less obvious trace.

If you have access to the db, and to the php files, you can do anything, and make it look like anything.

[K Frame]

Oleg is fully cognizant of what is going on here and at THR.

[mtnbkr]

And what Mtnbkr did leaves an obvious trace.

Actually entering someone's account by hijacking their password leaves a far less obvious trace.

True, but hijacking the account brings in other difficulties, at least if you don't want the user to know his account was hijacked.  Unless the forum software has a "su" function, you have to change the password, then change it back, which means you have to know the original.

Chris

[Elza]

Work makes freedom, eh?

Most appropriate, Oleg.  Arbeit Macht Frei was used by the Nazis during WWII.  Judging by his actions and the current purge at THR I think that Derek qualifies as a modern day version!

[K Frame]

If you already know the original password, there's no reason at all to change it in the first place.

You just assume the account identity, post, and log out.

Most chat forums I've used don't notify the account holder at the registered e-mail address when the password is changed. I've always thought that to be a vulnerability.

[AZRedhawk44]

Please see my note further down on this page...

I'll reiterate it here.

Anyone who posts Derek's contact information anywhere on this site will be immediately and permanently banned from APS.

Mike teased me too much with this, so I went on over to whois.net.

Funny thing is, lots of people want to know the registrant info for THR.  You now get this response:

Code:

WHOIS information for: thehighroad.org:

[whois.publicinterestregistry.net]
WHOIS LIMIT EXCEEDED - SEE WWW.PIR.ORG/WHOIS FOR DETAILS

Of course, other whois engines return results.  I won't post them, but it's intriguing that whois.net is reporting limits exceeded on requests for this particular domain.

[K Frame]

No need for the Nazi Germany similies, folks.

[fspitzdorf]

If you have administrator access to the forum software, in this case it being Vbulletin, you can change anything you want about any user in the database... without their consent... including the password.  There will be no email sent informing the original owner.  But, unless the admin knows the current password there is no way to change it back to what it was unless they change the email account attached to the user's account, request the password be sent there and then return the account to the original email address...    I've never tried to do this to any of my users but looking at the admin panel in my licensed copy of Vbulletin I have pretty much full control of anything and everything...

[Doc2005]

WHOIS information for: thehighroad.org:

[whois.publicinterestregistry.net]
WHOIS LIMIT EXCEEDED - SEE WWW.PIR.ORG/WHOIS FOR DETAILS

Hmmm.

Doc2005

[Soybomb]

So I just read DZ's statement and I'm left wondering, why would two people bicker about ownership of a site that has no advertising revenue?  Is it safe to say that one person wanted to monetize the site and one did not? 

[K Frame]

"Mike teased me too much with this, so I went on over to whois.net."

Derek can post his contact information on every other site on the intardnet.

If he choses to post his contact information here, that's one thing.

But no one else is going to post his contact information here. That could have certain repercussions in any litigation.

[Oleg Volk]

Is it safe to say that one person wanted to monetize the site and one did not?

Precisely. You can guess which of us wanted the $$.

[Manedwolf]

What a way to "not take sides!"

Justin
Moderator
 
Join Date: 12-29-02
Location: House of Representin'
Posts: 11,596
   
This is an extremely complicated issue that shouldn't have been blown up into a public display.

Without taking sides, I will say that Oleg's side of the story isn't the only one.

Then they locked the discussion thread.

[AJ Dual]

THR down for anyone else?

Never mind. I'm getting through now.

[Soybomb]

Is it safe to say that one person wanted to monetize the site and one did not?

Precisely. You can guess which of us wanted the $$.

I figured the talk of the toils of all that labor told the story.  Its a shame he didn't just excuse himself when he grew tired of his charity work, good luck.

edit: I'm trying to think of anything that could possibly tell the other side of the story in a way other than what I think.  In the past THR has gotten some cash donations and the like, which I'm sure was a pretty small amount to begin with, but were they split in any way that could seem unfair to either party?

[taurusowner]

I am just a lowly user, and never really paid attention to all the ownership stuff.  I will say that I saw Oleg post a lot more and he seems to be truly committed to THR and RKBA.  I didn't even know who Derek was until this thread.  In addition, when there is a dispute, and one side starts acting petty by sabotaging whatever is in dispute, it casts a lot of doubt on the one doing the sabotage.  The story of King David, the baby, and the 2 mothers comes to mind.  And Derek seems perfectly fine with cutting THR in half to prevent Oleg from having any of it.  As far as I can tell, Oleg hasn't done anything like what this Derek person has done.

[Oleg Volk]

I asked Derek to assist the new host in moving APS to our new home. Should be a lot faster and more stable, too.