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Let's look at what's on the table for Obama and the incoming administration.  The economy is in chaos, so to speak, with the stock market tumbling down, major companies like GM, Ford, etc., begging for financial assistance from the Feds, health care a stated concern, terrorists at the gate, and everything else you see on the news every night, do we really think that gun control is a priority for this administration?  Obama is all about public opinion, and what do you think would happen to that public opinion if he starts doing things like pushing gun control legislation through while GM, Chrysler, and Ford all go belly up?

The reason I ask is this...a good friend, and strong RKBA advocate, said that in the course of history, this is a great time to be a gun owner while having an anti-gun president in the White House.  Last time anti's pushed a measure through, and the votes at the next election showed that the public didn't like what they did.  Add all of the concerns going on right now, and the fear that gun control is the third rail of politics these days, and he believes that Obama will not touch gun control issues with a ten foot poll.  You might see something like a return of an AWB, but not the sweeping bans on handguns, etc., some people fear.

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Re: Do we really think gun control measures are a priority for Obama?
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2008, 10:34:13 AM »
Why would you think one of the True Believers obsessed with the issue due to their own mental instability would not attach it as a rider to any bill they could?

He doesn't have to do anything. All he has to do is sign it.

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Re: Do we really think gun control measures are a priority for Obama?
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2008, 10:37:57 AM »
He doesn't have to do anything. All he has to do is sign it.
Exactly.  It isn't really about him.  It's about the whackos in Congress. 
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Re: Do we really think gun control measures are a priority for Obama?
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2008, 10:38:34 AM »
He doesn't have to do anything. All he has to do is sign it.

I think that's the most likely situation. I doubt he'll push for it, but if an AWB came to him he'd sign it. I doubt anything other than an AWB could make it through congress, and even that isn't guaranteed. I'm pretty optimistic though.

I wish there was a place we could bet on this, intrade doesn't seem to have it as an option yet.
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Re: Do we really think gun control measures are a priority for Obama?
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2008, 10:44:17 AM »
Carolyn McCarthy, who is absolutely obsessed, could just tack the entire AWB onto a spending bill and Obama would sign it.

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Re: Do we really think gun control measures are a priority for Obama?
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2008, 11:11:26 AM »
Reverse the logic a bit. Will people/legislators oppose gun control legislation at the expense of action to address the other pressing issues you articulated? Would a rider on a plausible relief or tax bill be stopped, if the repercussion is media and public opinion suggesting that opponents don't care about the economy?
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Re: Do we really think gun control measures are a priority for Obama?
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2008, 11:30:32 AM »
It all depends on how well BHO fares in the next four years.  We can expect several versions of the AWB to be dropped like dead birds at his feet, and we can expect him to sign one of them.  We can also expect higher taxes on ammunition and "environmental" pressures to close gun ranges.

The real fun & games will come if there is a SECOND Obama term.  That is when the true disarmament agenda will fully flower.
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Re: Do we really think gun control measures are a priority for Obama?
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2008, 11:39:02 AM »
For Obama alone?  No.

For the gang around him--most certainly!
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Re: Do we really think gun control measures are a priority for Obama?
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2008, 12:35:56 PM »
I could EASILY see an AWB or worse early in the BHO administration.

The reason being, the economy, stock market, etc. are all HARD problems with no easy, pat solution.

An AWB is EASY.  With the stroke of a pen, BHO has a "victory" and can show "results" as BATFE makes arrests and puts manufacturers out of work.

The worse the economy looks and the worse BHO performs, the greater the likelihood of some such bill to claim victory over and crow about.
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Re: Do we really think gun control measures are a priority for Obama?
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2008, 12:49:49 PM »
I could EASILY see an AWB or worse early in the BHO administration.

The reason being, the economy, stock market, etc. are all HARD problems with no easy, pat solution.

An AWB is EASY.  With the stroke of a pen, BHO has a "victory" and can show "results" as BATFE makes arrests and puts manufacturers out of work.

The worse the economy looks and the worse BHO performs, the greater the likelihood of some such bill to claim victory over and crow about.

It would also be a way to kiss up to the UN, remember.

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Re: Do we really think gun control measures are a priority for Obama?
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2008, 01:02:27 PM »
The democrats in congress now are very different than the ones at the time of the first AWB.

Many of the seats that were picked up are more "center/right" democrats, i.e. blue dog.

The danger still is, how many of them will "go along to get along", and i see one of the biggest weaknesses in the democratic party as a plus here:  They are NOT the same party, lock step behind the president, that the republicans are known to be.

If the NRA, GOA, JFPO, and most importantly, US, reach out to these democrats and let them know that "going along to get along" will be hazardous to their existing seat, they'll be more likely to break ranks than the Republicans would.

I'm not saying there's no danger here, I'm just saying I don't think it's as bleak as we think.  I think he'd be a fool to start out his administration with a divisive issue.  I don't think he's going to go after Abortion or Gay marriage either for the same reasons.

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Re: Do we really think gun control measures are a priority for Obama?
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2008, 01:21:47 PM »
(reasonable analysis)

While I agree with everything you say, I would like to point out:
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Re: Do we really think gun control measures are a priority for Obama?
« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2008, 01:29:05 PM »
Didn't his transition coordinator say in a recent interview that gun control was a priority for him?  That he'd push for it soon after being his "rule"?


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Re: Do we really think gun control measures are a priority for Obama?
« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2008, 01:34:29 PM »
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.  You might see something like a return of an AWB

Yes, this so minor and unimportant.
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Re: Do we really think gun control measures are a priority for Obama?
« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2008, 01:45:34 PM »
There is ONE thing that worries me about our Pres Elect: he's a product of the Daley Machine. Wasn't all THAT long ago that the IL legislature needed to figure out a budget of some kind before the state started shutting down. And what'd they do? They started a push on more gun control!

http://thearmedschoolteacher.blogspot.com/2007/07/who-needs-to-pay-bills-illinois-has.html

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Re: Do we really think gun control measures are a priority for Obama?
« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2008, 01:49:25 PM »
You might see something like a return of an AWB, but not the sweeping bans on handguns, etc., some people fear.

Any thoughts?
A return of an AWB is pretty darned sweeping.  It may not seem important to you, but to the rest of us it's a Really Big Deal.

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Re: Do we really think gun control measures are a priority for Obama?
« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2008, 02:22:46 PM »
An assault weapons ban signed by Obama isn't going to be the same kid glove Clinton version we got the first time, it'll be something like HR1022 banning whole groups of firearms by name alone.

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Re: Do we really think gun control measures are a priority for Obama?
« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2008, 02:42:49 PM »
Anyone who thinks this ends with an AWB is smoking funny cigarettes.  You cannot have a truly docile population until you criminalize the possession of firearms.  Get with the program.
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Re: Do we really think gun control measures are a priority for Obama?
« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2008, 03:15:41 PM »
Well another thing to look at is who he is targeting to put in his cabinet.  Pull some of the gun grabbers out of the House and Senate and then new blood that are more 2A friendly get put there either through special elections or appointments and we could come out ahead. 
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Re: Do we really think gun control measures are a priority for Obama?
« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2008, 04:49:02 PM »
Well another thing to look at is who he is targeting to put in his cabinet.  Pull some of the gun grabbers out of the House and Senate and then new blood that are more 2A friendly get put there either through special elections or appointments and we could come out ahead. 

Do you think the governors of Illinois and New York are going to install freedom loving patriots? 

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Re: Do we really think gun control measures are a priority for Obama?
« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2008, 05:09:19 PM »
A return of an AWB is pretty darned sweeping.  It may not seem important to you, but to the rest of us it's a Really Big Deal.

Indeed. And while a national ban on CCW would be very difficult, going after mandatory registration, micro-stamping, mandatory internal locks, or banning "cop killer" ie rifle ammo is not. Not to mention those eeevvvviiiiillllll sniper rifles; you know, the ones that can have a scope attached?

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Re: Do we really think gun control measures are a priority for Obama?
« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2008, 07:30:39 PM »
Rahm Emmanuel is an ardent anti-gun democrat.  As The O's Chief of Staff he has a disproportionately large impact on the agenda.
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Re: Do we really think gun control measures are a priority for Obama?
« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2008, 07:33:13 PM »
its an easy one for him.  he can't turn the economy on a dime but he can offer up gun laws as a "look at what i've done" photo op
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Re: Do we really think gun control measures are a priority for Obama?
« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2008, 09:34:41 PM »
its an easy one for him.  he can't turn the economy on a dime but he can offer up gun laws as a "look at what i've done" photo op

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Re: Do we really think gun control measures are a priority for Obama?
« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2008, 10:45:40 PM »
Anyone who thinks this ends with an AWB is smoking funny cigarettes.  You cannot have a truly docile population until you criminalize the possession of firearms.  Get with the program.

Spot on.

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