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Perd Hapley

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Re: Gun Sales
« Reply #50 on: January 12, 2009, 01:32:57 PM »

Yes, the Dem's are historically worse.  By a wide margin.  But don't forget that the Repubs are not the most pro-2A folks either.  For a period of time, they had a lock on every branch of government, and they did nothing to loosen gun control laws. 

Judicial appointments were a big something, actually.

And didn't Ashcrofts's DOJ do us a couple of small favors?  Reduced the time that certain records were kept, I believe, and came out in favor of an individual rights interpretation. 

So, it's better than "nothing."  Just sayin'.
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Re: Gun Sales
« Reply #51 on: January 12, 2009, 10:18:52 PM »

Judicial appointments were a big something, actually.

And didn't Ashcrofts's DOJ do us a couple of small favors?  Reduced the time that certain records were kept, I believe, and came out in favor of an individual rights interpretation. 

So, it's better than "nothing."  Just sayin'.

Ashcroft wrote a nonbinding letter saying his interpretion of the 2A was individual as opposed to collective.  Basically, Heller.  In fairness, he also said he supported child safety locks and a ban on assault weapons.  In short, Ashcroft was a Fudd.   

I may be mistaken, so please don't quote me...  But wasn't that record retention thing just actually complying with pre-existing laws?  As I recall, certain folks in govt were keeping certain records long past the legally mandated destruction dates?
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Re: Gun Sales
« Reply #52 on: January 13, 2009, 01:08:29 AM »

So we still have judicial appointments, destroying records after 24 hours, and a statement on the 2A as an individual right.  As I said, better than nothing. 
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Re: Gun Sales
« Reply #53 on: January 14, 2009, 05:37:15 PM »

Or it goes the other way completely, and they realize that the "gun owner factor" is alive and well. And they decide that it's not worth losing a house in 2010 like they did in 1994 with any significant anti-gun legislation.

They can sway the American middle with nebulous notions of "change" and class envy, but the gun issue is something concrete they can wrap their heads around.

VERY -well- -said-. And we can "help the process along"
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Re: Gun Sales
« Reply #54 on: January 14, 2009, 05:39:42 PM »

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I may be mistaken, so please don't quote me...  But wasn't that record retention thing just actually complying with pre-existing laws?  As I recall, certain folks in govt were keeping certain records long past the legally mandated destruction dates?
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Re: Gun Sales
« Reply #55 on: January 14, 2009, 06:20:26 PM »

I have a $100 bet going with the owner of a gun store in California. She said this afternoon that the new AWB will be passed and signed into law by the end of this year. For me, $100 isn't a small amount, but that's how certain I am that we're not going to see anything major make it through to Obama's desk.

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Re: Gun Sales
« Reply #56 on: January 14, 2009, 06:21:48 PM »

I have a $100 bet going with the owner of a gun store in California. She said this afternoon that the new AWB will be passed and signed into law by the end of this year. For me, $100 isn't a small amount, but that's how certain I am that we're not going to see anything major make it through to Obama's desk.

I am not so sure. These are zealots who are actually frightened of commoners with arms. Besides, HB 45 could be a deliberate ruse...they'll "compromise" by settling for the "far more reasonable AWB".
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