Author Topic: Commander in Chief  (Read 10880 times)

209

  • friend
  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 281
Commander in Chief
« on: January 14, 2009, 05:46:29 AM »
I got yelled at on another forum because I allegedly dissed President Obama (at least the person who took me to task "perceived" I was disrespectful  :rolleyes: ).

Anyway he said, "No one will be allowed to show utter disrespect to the Commander in Chief."  It got me thinking.  At one point in time when I was in the military, the POTUS was indeed my CiC.  But according to my interpertation of the Constitution, the POTUS is not the CiC of civilians.

Your thoughts?

dogmush

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 13,669
Re: Commander in Chief
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2009, 06:28:18 AM »
You are correct.  He will be the CinC of the Armed Forces.  He is the President to civilians.  Civilians are alowed to be just as disrespectful to the President as they want, provided they don't threaten him, but you'll want to remember that the names you call someone often say more about you, then the person you're calling names.

RocketMan

  • Mad Rocket Scientist
  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 13,578
  • Semper Fidelis
Re: Commander in Chief
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2009, 07:38:49 AM »
This is the part that bothers me:  "Anyway he said, "No one will be allowed to show utter disrespect to the Commander in Chief."

He is saying no dissent will be tolerated.
If there really was intelligent life on other planets, we'd be sending them foreign aid.

Conservatives see George Orwell's "1984" as a cautionary tale.  Progressives view it as a "how to" manual.

My wife often says to me, "You are evil and must be destroyed." She may be right.

Liberals believe one should never let reason, logic and facts get in the way of a good emotional argument.

charby

  • Necromancer
  • Administrator
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 29,295
  • APS's Resident Sikh/Muslim
Re: Commander in Chief
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2009, 08:04:16 AM »
Disagreeing with someone and disrespecting someone are different. You can vocally disagree with President Elect Obama without disrespecting him.

Juvenile name calling the President Elect on this forum will get you on the short trail to being banned here.

Iowa- 88% more livable that the rest of the US

Uranus is a gas giant.

Team 444: Member# 536

HankB

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 16,564
Re: Commander in Chief
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2009, 08:23:22 AM »
. . . Civilians are alowed to be just as disrespectful to the President as they want, provided they don't threaten him . . .
Reminds me of a story about a US Citizen and a Soviet citizen who met in some neutral place - call it an airport in Switzerland - during the Reagan era.

They began talking, and the discussion turned to politics.

The American said "We're free to disagree with our President here - I can go up to President Reagan, pound on his desk, and tell him I hate the way he's running America."

The Soviet said, "It is the same in Russia, comrade."

The American, incredulously, said, "How can that be? You live in a Communist dictatorship!!"

The Soviet said, "Well, comrade, it's like this - I can go the Kremlin, enter President Gorbachev's office, pound on his desk, and tell him I hate the way Reagan is running America."
Trump won in 2016. Democrats haven't been so offended since Republicans came along and freed their slaves.
Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it. - Mark Twain
Government is a broker in pillage, and every election is a sort of advance auction in stolen goods. - H.L. Mencken
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it. - Mark Twain

Jamisjockey

  • Booze-fueled paragon of pointless cruelty and wanton sadism
  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 26,580
  • Your mom sends me care packages
Re: Commander in Chief
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2009, 10:07:55 AM »
This is the part that bothers me:  "Anyway he said, "No one will be allowed to show utter disrespect to the Commander in Chief."

He is saying no dissent will be tolerated.

JD

 The price of a lottery ticket seems to be the maximum most folks are willing to risk toward the dream of becoming a one-percenter. “Robert Hollis”

ELSORDO

  • New Member
  • Posts: 12
Re: Commander in Chief
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2009, 10:21:56 AM »
Considering the abuse heaped on George W. Bush by the left, it is hard to imagine how any liberal/progressive/socialist/communist et al could object to criticism of Obama!
My Mantra:Front Sight, Front Sight, Front Sight

209

  • friend
  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 281
Re: Commander in Chief
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2009, 10:28:28 AM »
Quote
This is the part that bothers me:  "Anyway he said, "No one will be allowed to show utter disrespect to the Commander in Chief."

He is saying no dissent will be tolerated.

Yeah, you spotted a problem.  It seems it was perfectly fine for the libs to "diss" Bush for the last eight years, but now it's not okay to even question the new guy.  I think I see an overall attempt to stifle negative remarks by libs more often than I see conservatives doing it.

Quote
You are correct.  He will be the CinC of the Armed Forces.  He is the President to civilians.  Civilians are alowed to be just as disrespectful to the President as they want, provided they don't threaten him, but you'll want to remember that the names you call someone often say more about you, then the person you're calling names

My understanding of the CiC clause in the Constitution also.

As far as the names I would use- if I call him a socialist and anyone takes offense, I guess I'll take my lumps.  If he promotes an idiotic policy, I'd like to think calling him an idiot would be fair game.  But I'll let you know if I manage to stay on that forum.  :laugh:

HankB

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 16,564
Re: Commander in Chief
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2009, 11:20:03 AM »
As far as the names I would use- if I call him a socialist and anyone takes offense, I guess I'll take my lumps.  If he promotes an idiotic policy, I'd like to think calling him an idiot would be fair game.  But I'll let you know if I manage to stay on that forum.  :laugh:
Be careful - some people object to anyone using his full name, Barack Hussein Obama.

(I wonder if they object to John Quincy Adams, William Henry Harrison, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, George Herbert Walker Bush, William Jefferson Clinton, or Harry S. Truman, all of whom were known by their full names.)
Trump won in 2016. Democrats haven't been so offended since Republicans came along and freed their slaves.
Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it. - Mark Twain
Government is a broker in pillage, and every election is a sort of advance auction in stolen goods. - H.L. Mencken
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it. - Mark Twain

Perd Hapley

  • Superstar of the Internet
  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 61,327
  • My prepositions are on/in
Re: Commander in Chief
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2009, 01:27:22 PM »
This is the part that bothers me:  "Anyway he said, "No one will be allowed to show utter disrespect to the Commander in Chief."

He is saying no dissent will be tolerated.

Or, he's saying you won't be allowed to call him Hitler.  Which is also the rule around here, or so I have learned.   :lol:
"Doggies are angel babies!" -- my wife

K Frame

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 44,007
  • I Am Inimical
Re: Commander in Chief
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2009, 01:41:29 PM »
You can compare Obama to Hitler if you so wish. That's permitted.

You can't, however, substituting Hitler for all of your references to Obama. That will get you booted. It's childish and it's petty.

I see no issue in referring to him by his full given name.

But, to refer to him ONLY as Hussein is a first-class ticket on an express train out of here. It's a pathetic attempt to associate the man with terrorists. It's fearmongering at its worst.
Carbon Monoxide, sucking the life out of idiots, 'tards, and fools since man tamed fire.

longeyes

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 5,405
Re: Commander in Chief
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2009, 01:52:40 PM »
Quote
"No one will be allowed to show utter disrespect to the Commander in Chief."

All must genuflect to the Supreme Leader.  Is that it?

The CIC must earn his respect through wise deeds.  Just like everyone else. 

I must say I don't trust the way all this is heading, and I am not alone.
"Domari nolo."

Thug: What you lookin' at old man?
Walt Kowalski: Ever notice how you come across somebody once in a while you shouldn't have messed with? That's me.

Molon Labe.

MicroBalrog

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 14,505
Re: Commander in Chief
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2009, 02:24:04 PM »
So the liberals are doing the same thing the conservatives did to so-called moonbats when they attacked Bush, invoking the sanctity of the office.

Amusing.
Destroy The Enemy in Hand-to-Hand Combat.

"...tradition and custom becomes intertwined and are a strong coercion which directs the society upon fixed lines, and strangles liberty. " ~ William Graham Sumner

charby

  • Necromancer
  • Administrator
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 29,295
  • APS's Resident Sikh/Muslim
Re: Commander in Chief
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2009, 02:31:16 PM »
This topic is closed, nothing good could come by keeping it open.

-Charby
Iowa- 88% more livable that the rest of the US

Uranus is a gas giant.

Team 444: Member# 536

K Frame

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 44,007
  • I Am Inimical
Re: Commander in Chief
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2009, 02:34:54 PM »
"All must genuflect to the Supreme Leader.  Is that it?"

"...invoking the sanctity of the office."

The office, by its very nature, carries a certain level of expected respect based on its heirarchy in the Constitutional framework that defines our nation and also the breadth and depth of history associated with it.

Those who are unable to see that and who secumb to their own petulant, childish whims and prejudices have deeper problems.
Carbon Monoxide, sucking the life out of idiots, 'tards, and fools since man tamed fire.