Obama Strongly Backs Islam Center Near 9/11 Site

[MechAg94]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/14/us/politics/14obama.html?_r=1&src=mv&ref=homepage

I saw this on the headlines on Drudge today.  I guess I am not sure if they can legally stop this place from being built and I appreciate freedom of religion arguments, but why is Obama throwing his hat into the ring on this issue?  Regardless of what side he takes, I almost think this is similar to the police altercation with that Harvard professor.  It is a local matter in the news.  Does our President really need to throw his two cents into this?

It just seems to me that he never misses an opportunity to throw his name in on issues that really just don't involve the FedGov or his office.  With is approval level in the tank, you would think he would be a bit more cautious. 

[MechAg94]

Interesting protest sign, but maybe not applicable to my comments.

By JAMES HOHMANN & MAGGIE HABERMAN & MIKE ALLEN | 8/14/10 12:52 PM EDT

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[Ben]

I just wanna see if Obama says anything about intolerance when Greg Gutfeld opens his new nightclub on the adjacent property.

[taurusowner]

Sometimes I wonder if he wakes up everyday and asks himself "What would a construction worker in Kansas want this country to look like?" And then he gets to work on the exact opposite.

[Ryan in Maine]

I've heard people parallel the mosque two blocks from the Twin Towers with yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theatre. So far as the religious freedom argument goes.

[Nitrogen]

Good.  We have religious freedom in this country, and I'm glad to see he's sticking up for it.

Muslims are just as free to spread their backwards religion as anyone else is.

I think he's doing it as a meaningless way to show liberals that he can stand up to the conservatives.

[Perd Hapley]

why is Obama throwing his hat into the ring on this issue?  Regardless of what side he takes, I almost think this is similar to the police altercation with that Harvard professor.  It is a local matter in the news.  Does our President really need to throw his two cents into this?

It just seems to me that he never misses an opportunity to throw his name in on issues that really just don't involve the FedGov or his office.  With is approval level in the tank, you would think he would be a bit more cautious. 

Good question.  This can't have much upside for him. 

I hear some are saying that the mosque will never be built, because the union workers of New York City will simply not lift a finger to build it.

[Nitrogen]

Last I heard, most people locally were not against it, but I really havnt been following the issue, because it's retarded.

[Strings]

I'm actually starting to wonder if he's trying to see just how low he can get his approval numbers...

[Ron]

I'm starting to think the R's and D's are playing everyone for suckers.

They just take turns every four or eight years screwing us in different positions.

On your knees or bent over, you get to vote!

[Nitrogen]

I'm starting to think the R's and D's are playing everyone for suckers.

They just take turns every four or eight years screwing us in different positions.

On your knees or bent over, you get to vote!

This.

There really isn't much of a difference between either party.

I really wish Obama was half the socialist everyone thinks he was.

Hell, I wish GWB was half the conservative all the liberals thought he was.

[MechAg94]

Personally, I'm not sure this falls in the Religious Freedom category.  There are plenty of mosques in New York already.  Would the same mess arise if someone was denied the right to build a Church there, but was told to do it somewhere else?  Either way, the outcome doesn't matter a great deal to me. 

I do have to wonder if they organizers knew exactly what sort of mess this would create.  It doesn't seem to be something someone would do who wanted to build bridges.  I still am curious why they won't say who is funding the project. 


I actually heard someone say those people might not yet actually own all the property necessary build what they want to build. 

[atomd]

I really wish Obama was half the socialist everyone thinks he was.

Maybe he would be if he had the spine. It seems that the Socialists of today have just lost theirs....maybe it's all the tofu and bok choy they've been eating.

[longeyes]

Religious and freedom are two words that can never be conjoined when you are talking about Islam.  And Obama knows this full well.

[Nitrogen]

Religious and freedom are two words that can never be conjoined when you are talking about Islam.  And Obama knows this full well.

Why not?

[gunsmith]

 In order to foster understanding "moderate Islamist" ( hey, they don't want genocide of the Jews-just the complete destruction of Israel, that's moderation for ya! ) & their liberal allies refuse to understand why people who were attacked by Islamist don't want a Mosque at Ground Zero.

The same people who had Arab Christians prohibited from handing out Bibles in Dearborn now stomp their feet for "tolerance" The same people who claim a moment of silence in school is a violation of some imaginary wall of separation of church and state they think is in the BoR, smile as the gov't pays for Mosque building in the middle east, and smile when we ( gov't) send this iman building the aforementioned monument to hatred @ Ground Zero  to the middle east ( @ taxpayer xpense ) to raise funds from Hamas supporters.... ok I'm starting to get pretty irritated.

anyway, I'm totally opposed. Sure sure they have the "right" ... I had the right to throw a stone at a big hornets nest when I was a kid & I learned a valuable lesson.

The islamist nutjobs and their allies are not throwing a stone at a hornets nest. ... they're holding it with both hands and shaking it while putting their face in it.

as far as some stinking poll? I'm a native newyorker, I never got no phone call for my freaking opinion.

[taurusowner]

The islamist nutjobs and their allies are not throwing a stone at a hornets nest. ... they're holding it with both hands and shaking it while putting their face in it.

Are they really though?  The "queen hornet" so to speak is welcoming them with open arms.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

In order to foster understanding "moderate Islamist" ( hey, they don't want genocide of the Jews-just the complete destruction of Israel, that's moderation for ya! ) & their liberal allies refuse to understand why people who were attacked by Islamist don't want a Mosque at Ground Zero.

The same people who had Arab Christians prohibited from handing out Bibles in Dearborn now stomp their feet for "tolerance" The same people who claim a moment of silence in school is a violation of some imaginary wall of separation of church and state they think is in the BoR, smile as the gov't pays for Mosque building in the middle east, and smile when we ( gov't) send this iman building the aforementioned monument to hatred @ Ground Zero  to the middle east ( @ taxpayer xpense ) to raise funds from Hamas supporters.... ok I'm starting to get pretty irritated.

anyway, I'm totally opposed. Sure sure they have the "right" ... I had the right to throw a stone at a big hornets nest when I was a kid & I learned a valuable lesson.

The islamist nutjobs and their allies are not throwing a stone at a hornets nest. ... they're holding it with both hands and shaking it while putting their face in it.

as far as some stinking poll? I'm a native newyorker, I never got no phone call for my freaking opinion.

heres vid of the kid in dearborn
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/06/breaking-muslims-nonmuslims-arrested-for-attending-an-arab-mulsim-festival-in-dearborn.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Participant recording

Because Michigan’s definition of “eavesdrop” is to “overhear, record, amplify or transmit any part of the private discourse of others,” Michigan courts have held that participant recording (even without the consent of the other parties) is not prohibited. Therefore, a party to the conversation can record the conversation himself without obtaining the consent of the other parties. He cannot, however, employ a third party to record the conversation on his behalf without getting the consent of all the parties.


and thats where the evangelical arab christian kid stepped on his own pecker. and what part of no video taping was hard for him to understand?

[kgbsquirrel]

That video doesn't mean anything, those gun-toting white Christian racists are just spreading hate about Islam... *cough-cough* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ot6EDFS998   Pay no attention to the merchandise in the stalls, the real story is about the Christian hate against Islam.


By the by, I find the choice of location for a new mega-mosque to be atrocious and the claims of peaceful coexistence and bridge building to be either willfully ignorant or purposely fabricated. I will grudgingly admit, however, that I can see no legal reason for them to not be allowed to build it. Constitutional republic, rule of law, insert generic spiel here.

[seeker_two]

I'm actually starting to wonder if he's trying to see just how low he can get his approval numbers...

Agreed...seems like every time he opens his mouth, his approval rating drops 5 points...like Bill Engvall said, he should have just shut up....

BTW, this entire matter could be settled if the NYC police and firefighters unions come out and state that their members will NOT respond to any 911 calls at that mosque's address or in a one block radius of it....

...then watch the fun begin... 

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

now that would be illegal

[RevDisk]

BTW, this entire matter could be settled if the NYC police and firefighters unions come out and state that their members will NOT respond to any 911 calls at that mosque's address or in a one block radius of it....

...then watch the fun begin... 

Ayep.   It would raise the question, "If the cops and firefighters don't want to do their job, why are we paying them?"   

Any government enforced discrimination needs to be beaten down, hard.  That's a road to hell we never want to follow again.

[MechAg94]

Agreed...seems like every time he opens his mouth, his approval rating drops 5 points...like Bill Engvall said, he should have just shut up....

BTW, this entire matter could be settled if the NYC police and firefighters unions come out and state that their members will NOT respond to any 911 calls at that mosque's address or in a one block radius of it....

...then watch the fun begin... 

Better to just use the unstated 28 minute response time.

[RevDisk]

Wow, it suddenly feels like I'm at DU!   

"I don't like something that is Constitutionally protected because it feels wrong to me, so I think the government should step in and fix the situation to my liking.  Because that totally works awesome and never backfires horribly."

Look, I think that the mosque next door to the 9/11 site is really screwed up and begging to start trouble.  I don't think it'd be bad for anyone, government or not, to say "It's a free country, but you're being a total (insert favorite profanity) and trying to start something."  This is not yelling 'fire' in a crowd, and it's blatantly obvious.  What they want to do is entirely legal and entirely a bad, insulting idea.  Much like Fred Phelps. 

Next thing you're gonna hear in this thread is how someone should file an environmental lawsuit against them.