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Re: Ron Paul and Barney Frank team up to legalize weed
« Reply #50 on: June 27, 2011, 03:37:07 PM »
Getting stupid drunk only hurts yourself.



if that were at least 1/2 true i'd agree.  sadly not

http://www.marininstitute.org/alcohol_policy/health_care_costs.htm

i've been pro legalization since before some of you were born,  that said statements like the one i bolded are not progress. great soundbite for the already converted but for those not so enlightened it makes it too easy to dismiss "the movement" wholesale
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Re: Ron Paul and Barney Frank team up to legalize weed
« Reply #51 on: June 27, 2011, 03:47:32 PM »
For years, I"ve been anti-legalization of anything.  Never touched pot or anything else unless it was in an evidence bag.  But as I get older, and somewhat wiser, I'm coming around on the pot issue.  Make it legal, tax it like cigarettes, and spend the money.  Make it illegal to drive under the influence (like it already is).  Let employers do what they want to do on the issue.

Though, I've got to say, I never thought I'd see the day when tobacco use would be more of a social stigma than pot use.
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Re: Ron Paul and Barney Frank team up to legalize weed
« Reply #52 on: June 27, 2011, 09:48:19 PM »
I do not have children. I am 0% likely to abuse my children, because my children do not exist. Even were I to use meth, alcohol, pure caffeine tablets, and Super Glue at once, I would still not be more likely to abuse my children.
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Re: Ron Paul and Barney Frank team up to legalize weed
« Reply #53 on: June 27, 2011, 11:57:36 PM »
Even were I to use meth, alcohol, pure caffeine tablets, and Super Glue at once, I would still not be more likely to abuse my children.

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Re: Ron Paul and Barney Frank team up to legalize weed
« Reply #54 on: June 28, 2011, 04:23:08 PM »
Not even when double-illegal? Can we try still? ;/
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Re: Ron Paul and Barney Frank team up to legalize weed
« Reply #55 on: June 28, 2011, 06:51:45 PM »
For years, I"ve been anti-legalization of anything.  Never touched pot or anything else unless it was in an evidence bag.  But as I get older, and somewhat wiser, I'm coming around on the pot issue.  Make it legal, tax it like cigarettes, and spend the money.  Make it illegal to drive under the influence (like it already is).  Let employers do what they want to do on the issue.

Though, I've got to say, I never thought I'd see the day when tobacco use would be more of a social stigma than pot use.

Ok, honest question here. Something I've never understood about the anti-legalization folks, and you seem unlikely to get vexed with me for asking.


1. When you were anti-legalization, how did you deal with the failure of Prohibition? 2. Did you feel marijuana was significantly different/worse than alcohol, and if so what was that opinion based on?


Like I said, not trying to be a jerk. But I really just can't fathom how people can hold that the WoSD is a good thing, in the face of those two questions. Since you're somewhat converted, hopefully being asked won't cause offense. :)
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Re: Ron Paul and Barney Frank team up to legalize weed
« Reply #56 on: June 29, 2011, 12:58:45 AM »
Though, I've got to say, I never thought I'd see the day when tobacco use would be more of a social stigma than pot use.

Yeah, that has gotten pretty creepy.  Especially the mothers/fathers who make a big stink about how some dude's second-hand smoke might harm their children in a restaurant.
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"for the (imputed) children"
« Reply #57 on: June 29, 2011, 01:03:16 AM »
I do not have children. I am 0% likely to abuse my children, because my children do not exist. Even were I to use meth, alcohol, pure caffeine tablets, and Super Glue at once, I would still not be more likely to abuse my children.

Well, if you own a house, but do not rent it out, the gov't can make up an "imputed rental income" to tax you on.  

So, since you have reproductive organs, but no actual children, gov't will impute an even half dozen children to you so that they can impose drug laws on you "for the (imputed) children."

Four controlled substances multiplied by six children makes 24 violations.
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Re: Ron Paul and Barney Frank team up to legalize weed
« Reply #58 on: June 29, 2011, 09:17:04 PM »
How many police man-hours were used to arrest and process those people? I'd rather have them on traffic duty or cruising town. 

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Re: Ron Paul and Barney Frank team up to legalize weed
« Reply #59 on: July 01, 2011, 12:51:36 AM »
William Bennett had an op-ed piece on CNN today about how wrong Frank and Paul are on this.  His basic argument was "it's for the children", and he was pretty well slammed by all the comments.

It would have been refreshing if he'd just said "drugs are bad".  We can all mostly agree on that (it's just that the War on Drugs is a lot worse, IMHO, and I don't even do drugs)
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Re: Ron Paul and Barney Frank team up to legalize weed
« Reply #60 on: July 01, 2011, 08:45:28 PM »
Yeah, that has gotten pretty creepy.  Especially the mothers/fathers who make a big stink about how some dude's second-hand smoke might harm their children in a restaurant.

I don't want anyone's second hand smoke, be it pot or tobacco or crack cocaine.
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Re: Ron Paul and Barney Frank team up to legalize weed
« Reply #61 on: July 02, 2011, 03:19:18 PM »
Strange bedfellows... but we libertarians have to realize that we only represent a small percent of this country's population, and if we are going to get anything done at all politically, we are going to have to cooperate with members of both of the two major statist political philosophies to do so. 
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Re: Ron Paul and Barney Frank team up to legalize weed
« Reply #62 on: July 02, 2011, 04:04:15 PM »
Strange bedfellows... but we libertarians have to realize that we only represent a small percent of this country's population, and if we are going to get anything done at all politically, we are going to have to cooperate with members of both of the two major statist political philosophies to do so. 

as a hint?  to encourage cooperation it behooves one to not use the word "statist" as both a derogatory label and part of the name you assign those you imagine, and i stress imagine, are gonna cooperate with you.  lest they continue to put itching powder in your wookie suits and snicker
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Re: Ron Paul and Barney Frank team up to legalize weed
« Reply #63 on: July 04, 2011, 04:13:01 AM »
as a hint?  to encourage cooperation it behooves one to not use the word "statist" as both a derogatory label and part of the name you assign those you imagine, and i stress imagine, are gonna cooperate with you.  lest they continue to put itching powder in your wookie suits and snicker

Oh no, we do not call them "statists" to their faces when we want something from them!  ;)

Just because you are strongly opposed to someone's philosophy doesn't mean you can't cooperate with them on the issues you agree on.  Ron Paul excoriated Barney Frank VERY harshly after the financial collapse in 2007, yet they can still work together on protecting the right of self-ownership. 
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Re: Ron Paul and Barney Frank team up to legalize weed
« Reply #64 on: July 04, 2011, 09:15:00 AM »
as a hint?  to encourage cooperation it behooves one to not use the word "statist" as both a derogatory label and part of the name you assign those you imagine, and i stress imagine, are gonna cooperate with you.  lest they continue to put itching powder in your wookie suits and snicker

Here we go again.  Keep it civil.  This wookie suit *expletive deleted*it is getting quite old. 
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Re: Ron Paul and Barney Frank team up to legalize weed
« Reply #65 on: July 04, 2011, 09:16:55 AM »
I'm sure people mocked Sam Adams' gang for their Indian getups too.
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Re: Ron Paul and Barney Frank team up to legalize weed
« Reply #66 on: July 04, 2011, 01:25:02 PM »
I'm sure people mocked Sam Adams' gang for their Indian getups too.

Best response I've seen to such mockery, yet. :)
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Re: Ron Paul and Barney Frank team up to legalize weed
« Reply #67 on: July 04, 2011, 02:35:43 PM »
I would like to see it.  I have glaucoma.  chris3