NYC survivalist?

[MicroBalrog]

no.  I'm commenting on the fact that the problems began after they were ejected en masse because it was cheaper (on paper) than actually dealing with their mental issues in a controlled environment.

There are also great moral issues with just committing them.

[mtnbkr]

You assume they were committed originally without any process.

Chris

[MicroBalrog]

You assume they were committed originally without any process.

Chris

No, I know that a process existed. I also know that political reform in the forcible-commitment system was based by its proponents not only - and not mainly - on fiscal issues but also on moral considerations. To say that only fiscal considerations were involved is not historically accurate.

[Fly320s]

You already pay for it in terms of law enforcement, criminality, repairs to damaged infrastructure, quality of life issues (or maybe you like having homeless people and their filth around).

Chris

You're right, I do pay for that now, but I was specifically addressing Gunsmith's suggestion of

really, these folks need to be captured, hosed down, and scrubbed. locked up and forced to take anti psychotics, taught how to shower and wipe their butt & be managed

, which would certainly involve an increase in expense, since committing people against their will is an expensive process.

But why lock "them" up anyway, if they aren't causing harm to others?  Being insane and homeless isn't reason enough, in my opinion.

Who said anything about arresting people pre-emptively?  Some of these people have legitimate mental health issues that aren't being addressed by living on the street.

Chris

So, some of them need professional help?  And if they don't seek that help, then what?

Quote it or stfu

Chris

That is out of line for any member here at Armed Polite Society. It is especially out of line coming from an Administrator.

[Bogie]

Well, I'm essentially homeless.

[Ned Hamford]

Well, I'm essentially homeless.

Sure, but are you contributing to the tragedy of the commons?

Public lands aren't meant for private exploitation.

[gunsmith]

There is a legal process to put people who are mentally ill into institutions against their will.

in NYC & San Francisco we have completely feral nuts wandering around covered in their own feces.  They are absolutely a menace to themselves and others.

Look at that Jared Loughner case, every body knew it was just a matter of time.

I had to risk arrest to stop a guy like that, he was threatening a girl I know - he was sure that cats have digital cameras in their eyes & that the pope was commanding him to slit her throat because ( he imagined ) she was in porn movies.

After I bonked him I almost got arrested except he started demanding that the cops let him into peoples apartments due to his papal passport, the cops knew he was nuts but didn't bring him to a hospital.

In NYC a few yrs ago a woman spent 5 yrs living on crap taken from a nearby garbage can & whatever people gave her, she was raped multiple times.
She spent her days imaging she was directing traffic, somehow someone intervened and she was hospitalized against her will, when she realized ( after medication )
what happened she was interviewed and wondered why no one ever helped her.

back in the early 80's they closed down a lot of mental hospitals & sent those poor unfortunates into the streets. It is cruel that they are dying in the street but there is no way to help them. they are ignored until they commit a crime then get incarcerated.

In NYC they often live on a subway platform, stinking so bad no one can stand near them, then one day they push someone in front of a train and kill them...then they get noticed.

[gunsmith]

Well, I'm essentially homeless.

I was homeless recently, I still live in quite unusual conditions ( basically camping ) that resemble poverty except that I'm in the wilderness and like it.

08/09 I became homeless while working as a messenger in SF, often I would spend the night in a car but not every night. I had my stuff in a storage locker and would wear a set of clothes and wash the other set every day, I would bathe/shave in my work restroom, I also learned how to sneak into a hostel by looking like a traveler and use their showers/kitchen.  The only way to get paid "help" was to quit my job and go stay at an official homeless shelter ... I wasn't about to give up my last gun in order to stay with a bunch of thugs that thrive on crack/crime & it didn't make any sense to quit my job  ... before the on set of the welfare state when people were down and out they were allowed to camp while they got themselves back on their feet, I wish they still could

[Perd Hapley]

he was sure that cats have digital cameras in their eyes & that the pope was commanding him to slit her throat because ( he imagined ) she was in porn movies.

So there ARE ideas crazier than voting for Obama. 

[gunsmith]

So there ARE ideas crazier than voting for Obama. 

He claimed that he voted for Barry