Author Topic: &%#&ing Iran! (Read 18552 times)

Jamie B · « **on:** January 09, 2012, 02:23:24 PM »

You save some of their clowns from Somali pirates:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/envoy/u-navy-rescues-iranians-somali-pirates-183323968.html;_ylt=AhCFht0L0WmB4nS3_3MxL_byWed_;_ylu=X3oDMTFla2kyZ2h0BG1pdANCbG9nIEJvZHkEcG9zAzExBHNlYwNNZWRpYUJsb2dCb2R5QXNzZW1ibHk-;_ylg=X3oDMTNiMXB0MXNmBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDZTJhNDYxMTUtMDIwNC0zMTY1LWEzNzEtYTcxZTg2NmEzMjFkBHBzdGNhdANvcmlnaW5hbHN8dGhlZW52b3kEcHQDc3RvcnlwYWdlBHRlc3QD;_ylv=3

Then they decide to execute an American former Marine for working with the CIA:
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/envoy/iran-sentences-former-u-marine-death-151159772.html

We should have cut a deal to save Hekmati before saving their *expletive deleted*bag sailors.

Of course, I am still bitter about the hostages from many years ago.

MicroBalrog · « **Reply #1 on:** January 09, 2012, 02:27:20 PM »

Do you think the Iranian fishermen are somehow to blame?

wmenorr67 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 09, 2012, 02:34:35 PM »

Any American that chooses to go to Iran is doing so at great risk. Add in the fact of being a military veteran and you are definitely going to show up on their radar and be lucky if you aren't charged with spying.

Fitz · « **Reply #3 on:** January 09, 2012, 02:56:00 PM »

Guy was probably spying. Does it suck that he's gonna get executed? Sure... but espionage is illegal in every country in the world, and these guys know what they're getting into when they choose the profession.

Iran is well within their rights as a sovereign nation to execute someone for espionage.

But I suppose we should play World Police some more and stop them?

Jamie B · « **Reply #4 on:** January 09, 2012, 03:06:04 PM »

Not a world police supporter for the US>
My point was that if we were going to save Iran's sailors, we should have at least cut a deal to get the American back first.

Zardozimo Oprah Bannedalas · « **Reply #5 on:** January 09, 2012, 03:10:02 PM »

With that background, I wouldn't be surprised if he was CIA - knows the language well enough to be a translator, ex-military, a legitimate reason to visit Iran. He'd be an ideal candidate.

I suspect that he won't be executed. I think we've got enough bargaining chips to get him back.

MicroBalrog · « **Reply #6 on:** January 09, 2012, 03:10:39 PM »

Quote from: Jamie B on January 09, 2012, 03:06:04 PM

Not a world police supporter for the US>
My point was that if we were going to save Iran's sailors, we should have at least cut a deal to get the American back first.

Well, I think this just shows American ship crews and commanders are good people.

I mean, you are in charge of some kind of naval vessel in the Gulf of Aden [that's where the piracy is, right? I get the geography of it a bit confused], and you get news that pirates have kidnapped innocent people within reach of your ship, and your orders are to fight piracy. The choice seems clear here.

Fitz · « **Reply #7 on:** January 09, 2012, 05:21:36 PM »

Quote from: Zardozimo Oprah Bannedalas on January 09, 2012, 03:10:02 PM

With that background, I wouldn't be surprised if he was CIA - knows the language well enough to be a translator, ex-military, a legitimate reason to visit Iran. He'd be an ideal candidate.

I suspect that he won't be executed. I think we've got enough bargaining chips to get him back.

Some of the other articles say that he did indeed work for the CIA in some capacity. But he was in iran on "personal" business?

Sounds legit.
Not.

De Selby · « **Reply #8 on:** January 09, 2012, 05:39:46 PM »

He deserves a fair trial on the accusation - do we think Iran is going to impartially and transparently prove that this person was indeed a spy?

I don't believe he should be up for any punishment at all until proof, not just innuendo or suspicious circumstances, is offered.

Fitz · « **Reply #9 on:** January 09, 2012, 05:40:53 PM »

Quote from: De Selby on January 09, 2012, 05:39:46 PM

He deserves a fair trial on the accusation - do we think Iran is going to impartially and transparently prove that this person was indeed a spy?

I don't believe he should be up for any punishment at all until proof, not just innuendo or suspicious circumstances, is offered.

He's not gonna get a fair trial. If he doesn't like that, maybe he should stay out of countries run by Islamic nutjobs.

This was either a case of A.) Him being a spy, or B.) Him being an idiot.

De Selby · « **Reply #10 on:** January 09, 2012, 05:46:12 PM »

Quote from: Fitz on January 09, 2012, 05:40:53 PM

He's not gonna get a fair trial. If he doesn't like that, maybe he should stay out of countries run by Islamic nutjobs.

This was either a case of A.) Him being a spy, or B.) Him being an idiot.

Or maybe him wanting to see his elderly grandma one more time and taking a risk to do it - not that it's relevant. Violating people's rights isn't justified on the basis that they happened to wander into an oppressive state's grasp.

Fitz · « **Reply #11 on:** January 09, 2012, 05:51:05 PM »

Quote from: De Selby on January 09, 2012, 05:46:12 PM

Or maybe him wanting to see his elderly grandma one more time and taking a risk to do it - not that it's relevant. Violating people's rights isn't justified on the basis that they happened to wander into an oppressive state's grasp.

So what would you like to be done about it?

Should we invade?

LOL

I'm squarely in the "this isn't our friggin problem" camp

Ned Hamford · « **Reply #12 on:** January 09, 2012, 06:47:24 PM »

Well, a person with 'Duel Citizenship' who asserts the offending country to be his real country/home... who is then screwed by his home country....

I'm with Fitz. Certainly try to politic and help the guy, but no call for politics by other means.

Stand_watie · « **Reply #13 on:** January 09, 2012, 08:23:20 PM »

Quote from: MicroBalrog on January 09, 2012, 03:10:39 PM

Well, I think this just shows American ship crews and commanders are good people.

I mean, you are in charge of some kind of naval vessel in the Gulf of Aden [that's where the piracy is, right? I get the geography of it a bit confused], and you get news that pirates have kidnapped innocent people within reach of your ship, and your orders are to fight piracy. The choice seems clear here.

I don't even see a conflict of interest between rescuing Iranian hostages of pirates and retrieving American hostages of the Iranian state. Rescue the hostages and keep it quiet while American hostage release is negotiated.

Wine and dine the Iranians [edit... Iranian fisherman] during the negotiations and we'll have that many more CIA [edit assets] in Iran.

HankB · « **Reply #14 on:** January 10, 2012, 08:40:02 AM »

Quote from: Ned Hamford on January 09, 2012, 06:47:24 PM

Well, a person with 'Duel Citizenship' who asserts the offending country to be his real country/home... who is then screwed by his home country....

If it's "Duel" citizenship, can he challenge the judge to sabers or pistols at dawn?

Dual citizenship or not, I find it hard to find sympathy for an American who goes into Iran - carrying US military ID, no less! - and gets into hot water, just as I find it hard to feel sorry for those who go to Iraq - Iraq! - for a hiking trip, and seek a little more adventure by traveling to the poorly-marked border area with Iran.

("The stupid, it hurts.")

Blakenzy · « **Reply #15 on:** January 10, 2012, 09:52:46 AM »

The US really doesn't have a moral leg to stand on here. Our Government is clearly at undeclared war with Iran. He got caught inside their territory with military ID and he at least got a frigin "trial", which is more than the US Government affords foreigners AND EVEN US citizens found outside US borders who are accused of "trrism" before targeting them for assassination.

So while I do not want to see a fellow citizen executed under any circumstances, I must say that our Government best keep its lying mouth shut on this matter lest our rulers come out as total hypocrites (we already know they are that and worse, but still).

Fitz · « **Reply #16 on:** January 10, 2012, 01:08:09 PM »

It's funny, a lot of the same people who screamed "ZOMG ILLEGAL WAR" about Iraq are now playing the "WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHINGZ!!!" card with iran.

They also did the same with Darfur.

I say, screw it. Let Iran do what Iran will do, and when they finally do something heinous, let the rest of the world clean it up.

I'm real tired of our government and politicians continuing to pursue asinine policies, play cloak and dagger games, etc. Because it's people like ME, not the idiots screaming for justice, who will pay the price in blood and tears when we finally "do something" about it.

slingshot · « **Reply #17 on:** January 10, 2012, 03:24:56 PM »

I suspect Iran will do what they want to. They like to float threats.

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So what would you like to be done about it?

Should we invade?

Don't be surprised if we do exactly that after a substantial air campaign. It is not just about the guy sentanced to death. No more working to create a democracy. Kick butt, take it, and keep it. Yes, this is all about oil and nuclear weapons poliferation throughout the Middle East after they have their nuke.

Jamie B · « **Reply #18 on:** January 10, 2012, 03:37:00 PM »

Quote from: slingshot on January 10, 2012, 03:24:56 PM

I suspect Iran will do what they want to. They like to float threats.

Don't be surprised if we do exactly that after a substantial air campaign. It is not just about the guy sentanced to death. No more working to create a democracy. Kick butt, take it, and keep it. Yes, this is all about oil and nuclear weapons poliferation throughout the Middle East after they have their nuke.

Show me one foreign war/occupation/action/etc. that was all about oil that actually resulted in lower US oil prices.

slingshot · « **Reply #19 on:** January 10, 2012, 03:45:04 PM »

It would not be about price, it would be about stability of the market.

slingshot · « **Reply #20 on:** January 10, 2012, 03:51:03 PM »

I'm pretty sure that we have another Carrier group headed for the Persian Gulf which will make two in the immediate area.

Stand_watie · « **Reply #21 on:** January 10, 2012, 07:04:05 PM »

Uncle Sam kitty iz in yer gulf...savin' yer sailors!

Blakenzy · « **Reply #22 on:** January 10, 2012, 07:37:05 PM »

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Kick butt, take it, and keep it.

That should be a cake walk... Yeah, like Mike said: "All you gotta do is repeat after me... abc, easy as... 123, or simple as... do re mi... abc,123, baby you and me!"
Except it'll only be you because I'm not lending any support for imperial adventures anymore. I'm SICK of being lied to and I'm sick of being scared into jumping to war.

There is no way the US Government isn't going down in history as the 21st century Nazi wannabes if they try to pull that one off.

And what exactly is the excuse this time for initiating aggression and destroying, then taking over a sovereign nation? WMDs? Again? LOL

If they want to sell that one again they are going to have to get someone better than Bachmann:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TFcV-AjqW8

Ned Hamford · « **Reply #23 on:** January 10, 2012, 09:15:25 PM »

Oooh, some for facts. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/115142-Iran-Sentences-Game-Developer-To-Death

The guy made some games for the army. Some very poor choices in travel plans...

sumpnz · « **Reply #24 on:** January 10, 2012, 10:22:29 PM »

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He's just been sentenced to death because he was found guilty of charges that the CIA was paying him to make videogames that would affect public opinion on U.S. policies in the region.

Srsly?? That's some pretty weak tea.

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Author Topic: &%#*&*ing Iran! (Read 18552 times)

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