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Re: Obama puts another one over on the gullible public
« Reply #50 on: February 12, 2012, 07:43:49 PM »
De Selby, that logic doesn't flow. You're better than that.
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Re: Obama puts another one over on the gullible public
« Reply #51 on: February 12, 2012, 07:55:14 PM »
Quote from: Monkeyleg on February 12, 2012, 07:43:49 PM
De Selby, that logic doesn't flow. You're better than that.

Care to explain?  I was making the point, based on past threads here about "dhimmification" through airport foot washing and gloves for handling pork, that if these were muslim specific practices at issue, the mood might not be so much in favour of religious freedom.  I think that is an entirely reasonable observation.
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Re: Obama puts another one over on the gullible public
« Reply #52 on: February 12, 2012, 08:02:31 PM »
So it is OK for Fed.gov use its implied threat of violence to demand individuals purchase a good or service.

So it is OK for Fed.gov to use its power of coercion to dictate to employers what type of insurance they will provide.

So it is OK for Fed.gov to dictate to religious institutions what the boundaries are for the practice of their religion.
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Re: Obama puts another one over on the gullible public
« Reply #53 on: February 12, 2012, 08:18:03 PM »
Quote from: De Selby on February 12, 2012, 06:56:43 PM
I just wish the US Conference of Catholic Bishops could be so well organised and effective in identifying and expelling child abusers within their midst.  It's just a bit odd that they're taking a stand on the morality of birth control when they've been very keen to downplay and deny liability for the "poor judgment" that closeted and shuffled child abusers for decades.

I also question, on this topic of religious freedom, if the APS consensus would be the same if this were a story about Saudi investors buying a major US employer and demanding that all female employees wear burqas, or that all employees join prayers five times a day.

 Something tells me I'd be seeing a little more than "if you don't like it don't work for them". 


Is this a good time to point out that the whole issue is not simply about contraception, and not simply a problem for the RCC?
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Re: Obama puts another one over on the gullible public
« Reply #54 on: February 12, 2012, 10:46:24 PM »
De Selby, clergy sex abuse and church-provided contraceptives are two completely different issues, and any attempt to link them for the purposes of discussing this issue is fallacious.

As for a Saudi company buying a US company, nobody is buying the church. I don't know why you made that part of your hypothetical. Nevertheless, the company would be absolutely within its rights to require women to wear burqas. The federal government might have a different opinion, though, although when it comes to Muslims, there's no guarantees.
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Re: Obama puts another one over on the gullible public
« Reply #55 on: February 12, 2012, 11:51:51 PM »
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Something tells me I'd be seeing a little more than "if you don't like it don't work for them".

Not from me.
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Re: Obama puts another one over on the gullible public
« Reply #56 on: February 12, 2012, 11:54:16 PM »
Quote from: De Selby on February 12, 2012, 06:56:43 PM
I also question, on this topic of religious freedom, if the APS consensus would be the same if this were a story about Saudi investors buying a major US employer and demanding that all female employees wear burqas, or that all employees join prayers five times a day.

 Something tells me I'd be seeing a little more than "if you don't like it don't work for them". 

What, exactly, are the bishops trying to force on the employees?

But, yeah, if it came down to it, I'm all for letting folk run their businesses as they see fit.


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I just wish the US Conference of Catholic Bishops could be so well organised and effective in identifying and expelling child abusers within their midst.  It's just a bit odd that they're taking a stand on the morality of birth control when they've been very keen to downplay and deny liability for the "poor judgment" that closeted and shuffled child abusers for decades.

So, because they tried to cover up a scandal, you think they are ready to abandon every other tenet of their faith? Or what am I missing?
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Re: Obama puts another one over on the gullible public
« Reply #57 on: February 13, 2012, 12:57:11 AM »
If the Saudi government bought a US company, I would question them expecting their female employees to wear burkahs.

However, if a Mosquewere running a charity, and expected their female employees to wear burkahs, that would be a much different issue...
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Re: Obama puts another one over on the gullible public
« Reply #58 on: February 13, 2012, 01:56:30 AM »
Quote from: lee n. field on February 12, 2012, 08:18:03 PM
Is this a good time to point out that the whole issue is not simply about contraception, and not simply a problem for the RCC?

Yes, it is.  There are way too many straw men running around here.  I think it is also a good time to take note that this attack by Obama on the 1st amendment will likely be a glimpse of his method of attack on the second.  Divide, send in the straw men, and conquer.

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Re: Obama puts another one over on the gullible public
« Reply #59 on: February 13, 2012, 07:45:46 AM »
How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

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Re: Obama puts another one over on the gullible public
« Reply #60 on: February 13, 2012, 09:55:58 AM »
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Re: Obama puts another one over on the gullible public
« Reply #61 on: February 13, 2012, 01:06:23 PM »
Quote from: mtnbkr on February 13, 2012, 07:45:46 AM
How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

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87
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Re: Obama puts another one over on the gullible public
« Reply #62 on: February 13, 2012, 01:15:35 PM »
DD, your math is all wonky; it's 86!!!!! :laugh: [tinfoil] =D ;)
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Re: Obama puts another one over on the gullible public
« Reply #63 on: February 13, 2012, 01:37:56 PM »
Quote from: TommyGunn on February 13, 2012, 01:15:35 PM
DD, your math is all wonky; it's 86!!!!! :laugh: [tinfoil] =D ;)

Read the question.  It asks how many can dance on the head of a pin, not how many are currently dancing.  Look closer.  See the one off to the side with a little spoon?   >:D

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Re: Obama puts another one over on the gullible public
« Reply #64 on: February 13, 2012, 02:11:07 PM »
Quote from: Doggy Daddy on February 13, 2012, 01:37:56 PM
Read the question.  It asks how many can dance on the head of a pin, not how many are currently dancing.  Look closer.  See the one off to the side with a little spoon?   >:D

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[tinfoil]  Can't fool me!!! I saw that one too!!!   [popcorn] [tinfoil] :laugh: :laugh: :angel:
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Re: Obama puts another one over on the gullible public
« Reply #65 on: February 13, 2012, 06:41:50 PM »
It depends upon several factors: the size of the angels (petite, large, Rosie O'Donnel size), the size of the pin head, and the type of dance (waltz, break-dancing, swing, etc).
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Re: Obama puts another one over on the gullible public
« Reply #66 on: February 13, 2012, 06:48:27 PM »
Petite, #16, Swing
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Re: Obama puts another one over on the gullible public
« Reply #67 on: February 13, 2012, 07:02:31 PM »
Okay. It's 104.
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Re: Obama puts another one over on the gullible public
« Reply #68 on: February 13, 2012, 08:25:49 PM »
How many angels can dance on the head of a .45acp cartridge?
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Re: Obama puts another one over on the gullible public
« Reply #69 on: February 13, 2012, 08:28:45 PM »
Quote from: longeyes on February 13, 2012, 08:25:49 PM
How many angels can dance on the head of a .45acp cartridge?

They would be ninjas. And they would performing tactical rolls.
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Re: Obama puts another one over on the gullible public
« Reply #70 on: February 13, 2012, 09:16:16 PM »
His goal (maybe not him personally, but his administration) is to get Catholic Charities to close up shop.  Liberal progressives want everybody dependent on the government, and they can't accomplish that with non-profits providing aid to the needy.  So they pass laws that religious NPO's (the most threatening kind) cannot abide with to put the competition out of business.
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Re: Obama puts another one over on the gullible public
« Reply #71 on: February 13, 2012, 11:33:48 PM »
Quote from: zxcvbob on February 13, 2012, 09:16:16 PM
His goal (maybe not him personally, but his administration) is to get Catholic Charities to close up shop.  Liberal progressives want everybody dependent on the government, and they can't accomplish that with non-profits providing aid to the needy.  So they pass laws that religious NPO's (the most threatening kind) cannot abide with to put the competition out of business.

We have a winner.  They do not want competition. Since the dawn of the Progressive Era, gov't has advanced and private institutions retreated.  This is considered a feature by progressives.
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