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Re: What if Romney chooses Ryan as a running mate?
« Reply #150 on: August 15, 2012, 11:17:24 PM »


I do think that simply copying the government services from this kangaroo kingdom would be a vast improvement on what the US has now - but I guess low unemployment, good working conditions, cost effective and quality medical care, secure retirements, and unemployment insurance for everyone aren't really what my countrymen in the US want. 

No, we want freedom!   ;/    As if being able to get a job and not worry about starving if you lose it are the opposite.

The Aussie politicians may be smart enough to do this without running up a nation-killing debt.
American politicians aren't.  Even without all the wonderful stuff you mention we're nearly 16 trillion dollars in debt.
I suggest you stay there as you no doubt will be happier in the long run and more secure.
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Re: What if Romney chooses Ryan as a running mate?
« Reply #151 on: August 15, 2012, 11:51:31 PM »
The Aussie politicians may be smart enough to do this without running up a nation-killing debt.
American politicians aren't.  Even without all the wonderful stuff you mention we're nearly 16 trillion dollars in debt.
I suggest you stay there as you no doubt will be happier in the long run and more secure.
P.S. : don't get too close to kangaroos, I hear they kick as a means of defense and they are really really nasty in that regard.  Claws, you know.   

Killjoy! I was going to suggest that he run up and try to hug them!  =D
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Re: What if Romney chooses Ryan as a running mate?
« Reply #152 on: August 16, 2012, 12:45:30 AM »
Killjoy! I was going to suggest that he run up and try to hug them!  =D

I eat them on a regular basis instead - much healthier to eat kangaroos than to hug them.

FYI, they have tame ones at the zoo for petting.
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Re: What if Romney chooses Ryan as a running mate?
« Reply #153 on: August 16, 2012, 01:12:44 AM »
I was pointing out that for all the "monarchy" talk, people actually do get to exercise freedoms here.

Having more access to public land for hunting is totally what freedom is about.
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Re: What if Romney chooses Ryan as a running mate?
« Reply #154 on: August 16, 2012, 01:19:31 AM »
Having more access to public land for hunting is totally what freedom is about.

Yeah, it's also something that is impossible in stereotypical monarchies and socialist paradises - public health care does not mean losing gun rights and applying for the queen's indulgence to set foot on her land.
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Re: What if Romney chooses Ryan as a running mate?
« Reply #155 on: August 16, 2012, 01:22:09 AM »
Yeah, it's also something that is impossible in stereotypical monarchies and socialist paradises - public health care does not mean losing gun rights and applying for the queen's indulgence to set foot on her land.

Gun rights are so totally about hunting.
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Re: What if Romney chooses Ryan as a running mate?
« Reply #156 on: August 16, 2012, 01:40:03 AM »
Gun rights are so totally about hunting.

Who said that here???

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Re: What if Romney chooses Ryan as a running mate?
« Reply #157 on: August 16, 2012, 07:55:25 AM »
Palin was a star too, enormously popular in Alaska.  National campaigns are a different story.

But yeah, I'm an American - where I live the shooters party has seats in the most populous state and is slowly opening up land to public hunting. 

I do think that simply copying the government services from this kangaroo kingdom would be a vast improvement on what the US has now - but I guess low unemployment, good working conditions, cost effective and quality medical care, secure retirements, and unemployment insurance for everyone aren't really what my countrymen in the US want. 

No, we want freedom!   ;/    As if being able to get a job and not worry about starving if you lose it are the opposite.

First of all, socialism sucks. Europe is pretty much proving that.

It sucks less in a country with a culture that is completely homogenous and already has a good work ethic. It takes time to break down that cultural work ethic. (e.g. Sweden and other northern European countries.)

Socialism will work the absolute worst in a country that is not homogenous (USA), has demographics with low levels of work ethic already (USA), has not had a major war to disrupt entrenched interest groups (USA), and has poor quality public servants (USA).

So, we CAN'T follow other countries' models for socialism because (a) socialism sucks and (b) it sucks even worse in the United States.

Why can I say that? We already have socialism. Pick any of the government provided services in this country and compare them, not to our private sector (which obviously does it better) but to any other mostly non-corrupt first world country. Public education. Agricultural subsidies. "Green Energy" subsidies. Medicare. Medicaid. Social Security disability.

Now, we don't yet have the widespread tax avoidance that much of socialist Europe already has. Try to implement that crap here and you'll find American ingenuity turned towards protecting what they have from the government rather than building the economy.
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Re: What if Romney chooses Ryan as a running mate?
« Reply #158 on: August 16, 2012, 09:19:08 AM »
Who said that here???



You said that Australia has gun rights... and have expanding hunting lands as an example of that.

To explain how ridiculous this is : the Soviet Union allowed people to own hunting longarms, and had vast hunting lands available for that purpose. Hunting was in fact promoted in certain periods of Soviet history, and the USSR never had an anti-hunting movement like Europe. On your logic, Brezhnev (who even sponsored the developement of a line of hunting carbines) was a gun rights supporter.

OBVIOUSLY THIS IS RIDICULOUS.
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Re: What if Romney chooses Ryan as a running mate?
« Reply #159 on: August 16, 2012, 09:41:26 AM »
Palin was a star too, enormously popular in Alaska.  National campaigns are a different story.

But yeah, I'm an American - where I live the shooters party has seats in the most populous state and is slowly opening up land to public hunting. 

I do think that simply copying the government services from this kangaroo kingdom would be a vast improvement on what the US has now - but I guess low unemployment, good working conditions, cost effective and quality medical care, secure retirements, and unemployment insurance for everyone aren't really what my countrymen in the US want. 

No, we want freedom!   ;/    As if being able to get a job and not worry about starving if you lose it are the opposite.


It is the opposite.  When you accept service from said government, you are the subject of its whims. And when you're prospering, you are the subject of its punative taxation.
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Re: What if Romney chooses Ryan as a running mate?
« Reply #160 on: August 16, 2012, 11:14:24 AM »
You said that Australia has gun rights... and have expanding hunting lands as an example of that.

To explain how ridiculous this is : the Soviet Union allowed people to own hunting longarms, and had vast hunting lands available for that purpose. Hunting was in fact promoted in certain periods of Soviet history, and the USSR never had an anti-hunting movement like Europe. On your logic, Brezhnev (who even sponsored the developement of a line of hunting carbines) was a gun rights supporter.

OBVIOUSLY THIS IS RIDICULOUS.

The Soviet Union was massively pro-gun, after all they allowed you to shoot who they wanted you to shoot.  Not even Texas lets you do that!
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Re: What if Romney chooses Ryan as a running mate?
« Reply #161 on: August 16, 2012, 11:20:23 AM »
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Re: What if Romney chooses Ryan as a running mate?
« Reply #162 on: August 16, 2012, 11:51:39 AM »

It is the opposite.  When you accept service from said government, you are the subject of its whims. And when you're prospering, you are the subject of its punative taxation.
I'd rather die starving and free, thank you very much.


And if it came to that, you are able and willing to make that choice for your wife and children?  So rather than stand in a government soup line in the Great Depression, you would consign your family to death? 
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Re: What if Romney chooses Ryan as a running mate?
« Reply #163 on: August 16, 2012, 12:08:01 PM »
Ryan is the new Palin - they basically handed away what was otherwise a solid chance at the election.

Mark my words, his policy and rhetoric will hand Obama a sure victory in November. 

DeSelby is a one-man petri dish sample that can be observed to see the exact same way the larger American Left/MSM establishment is once again engaging in self-delusion about an upcoming election.

Reagan in 1980.

1994 mid-terms.

2002 and 2004 mid-terms under Bush where the GOP still gained. (although I agree it was squandered)

Romney is deeply flawed. And it indeed shows how far we've sunk that a "reformer" like Ryan, who votes for TARP, Patriot Act etc. among other things can be considered "extreme" at all.

And living in Wisconsin, blue state that's gone resoundingly RED, I live in the epicenter of this, and am watching it happen. This is Romney/Ryan's race to lose. And anyone else is free to call me whatever names they want, but I'll be more than happy to pull the lever for the folks who "suck less".  For everyone convinced it'll all "fall apart" anyway, I say you're fools for at least not trying to buy some more time to prepare.
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Re: What if Romney chooses Ryan as a running mate?
« Reply #164 on: August 16, 2012, 12:31:22 PM »
Yes, buying time is what it's all about.  What else is there?

We need to get realistic about how deep Our Problem really is.  Romney and Ryan are about kicking the can down the road, not changing the road or the can.  That may make them better than Obama, who prefers subsidized railway to roads anyway, but it doesn't make them real problem-solvers.

Ryan talks budget but doesn't really dig into the causes of the spending or how to make productive discriminations in what we spend on.  Romney talks jobs but doesn't talk about why the jobs have been leaving the country (and who's behind that) and how immigration,  illegal and legal, have warped this problem beyond repair.
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Re: What if Romney chooses Ryan as a running mate?
« Reply #165 on: August 16, 2012, 09:03:00 PM »
And if it came to that, you are able and willing to make that choice for your wife and children?  So rather than stand in a government soup line in the Great Depression, you would consign your family to death? 

A free man has options....slaves don't....
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Re: What if Romney chooses Ryan as a running mate?
« Reply #166 on: August 16, 2012, 09:06:26 PM »
Would you murder a man in order to steal his money if that was the difference between your children living or dying? You would? Well then, murder must be ok. :rolleyes: What a silly, specious argument. Especially in a 1st World country.
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Re: What if Romney chooses Ryan as a running mate?
« Reply #167 on: August 16, 2012, 09:12:40 PM »
DeSelby is a one-man petri dish sample that can be observed to see the exact same way the larger American Left/MSM establishment is once again engaging in self-delusion about an upcoming election.

Reagan in 1980.

1994 mid-terms.

2002 and 2004 mid-terms under Bush where the GOP still gained. (although I agree it was squandered)

Romney is deeply flawed. And it indeed shows how far we've sunk that a "reformer" like Ryan, who votes for TARP, Patriot Act etc. among other things can be considered "extreme" at all.

And living in Wisconsin, blue state that's gone resoundingly RED, I live in the epicenter of this, and am watching it happen. This is Romney/Ryan's race to lose. And anyone else is free to call me whatever names they want, but I'll be more than happy to pull the lever for the folks who "suck less".  For everyone convinced it'll all "fall apart" anyway, I say you're fools for at least not trying to buy some more time to prepare.

I am convinced it will fall apart and I will vote for (maybe) a little more time before the collapse.  If nothing else, my kids will be older and more likely to survive the vicissitudes.
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Re: What if Romney chooses Ryan as a running mate?
« Reply #168 on: August 16, 2012, 10:42:03 PM »
People talk about the Ryan budget like it slashed everything.  I read that it cut about 4 billion which is the same as was recommended.  But it did not project a balanced budget for 20 years.  We're doomed.
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Re: What if Romney chooses Ryan as a running mate?
« Reply #169 on: August 16, 2012, 10:43:29 PM »
I am convinced it will fall apart and I will vote for (maybe) a little more time before the collapse.  If nothing else, my kids will be older and more likely to survive the vicissitudes.

Exactly what I think on my pessimistic days.

On my optimistic ones, I remember Reagan evolved to the right over time as well.
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Re: What if Romney chooses Ryan as a running mate?
« Reply #170 on: August 17, 2012, 12:23:58 AM »
Eliminate automatic baseline spending (increases).  Then freeze the budget.  After that, cut it ten per cent a year across the board until you see daylight.  It CAN be done.  A lot of us are doing it already or have had to in the past.  Somehow we got by on much less gov't outlay ten years ago.  We can do it again.
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Re: What if Romney chooses Ryan as a running mate?
« Reply #171 on: August 17, 2012, 07:12:53 AM »
People talk about the Ryan budget like it slashed everything.  I read that it cut about 4 billion which is the same as was recommended.  But it did not project a balanced budget for 20 years.  We're doomed.

True, but maybe ryans moderation on budget cutting is like obamas moderation on gay nonmarriage....a fig leaf to cover a raging...desire...that might scare the straights.

Look at me, all optimistic for a minute.
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