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Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
« Reply #25 on: December 13, 2012, 08:25:19 AM »


I did some reading a while back, into the Norse legend of Fimbulwinter.  There's some suspicion that it comes from a climate transition that happened in the 6 or 7 hundreds BC (about the time of the Israelite deportation to Babylon).  Prior to that time the climate in northern Europe was warm enough that they were growing grapes in Sweden.

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Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
« Reply #26 on: December 13, 2012, 12:03:01 PM »


I did some reading a while back, into the Norse legend of Fimbulwinter.  There's some suspicion that it comes from a climate transition that happened in the 6 or 7 hundreds BC (about the time of the Israelite deportation to Babylon).  Prior to that time the climate in northern Europe was warm enough that they were growing grapes in Sweden.


Oh, sure. Blame the Jews.  ;/
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Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
« Reply #27 on: December 13, 2012, 04:05:56 PM »


Oh, sure. Blame the Jews.  ;/

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Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
« Reply #28 on: December 13, 2012, 07:42:20 PM »

It's okay Fistful, we Jews blame you.

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Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
« Reply #29 on: December 13, 2012, 07:43:16 PM »

I rescind my earlier comment, due to concerns that it may qualify as a call to religious tolerance. I'm not allowed to do that anymore.
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Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
« Reply #30 on: December 13, 2012, 08:01:05 PM »

Nope, sounded pretty intolerant to me.  ;) :P


Also the #1 Threat to Humanity is Stupid TV.  All of it.
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Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
« Reply #31 on: December 14, 2012, 03:46:47 AM »

I rescind my earlier comment, due to concerns that it may qualify as a call to religious tolerance. I'm not allowed to do that anymore.

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Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
« Reply #32 on: December 14, 2012, 04:42:13 AM »

But how is she going to watch Honey Boo-Boo with no TV?  :laugh:

I wouldn't watch that crap if it were the only form of "entertainment" left on the planet.
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Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
« Reply #33 on: December 14, 2012, 08:22:09 AM »

As always with this subject, I'm bemused at the comments that are deemed relevant. Serious lack of critical thought.

But it's a rabbithole I'm pretty bored of now.
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Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
« Reply #34 on: December 14, 2012, 08:46:18 AM »

As always with this subject, the religous zealots refuse to accept that their prophets have lied to them. Serious lack of self reflection and looking at the objective evidence.

But I'm pretty bored of pointing out their unscientific beliefs now.
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Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
« Reply #35 on: December 14, 2012, 09:08:06 AM »

I'll give you a 5/10, but I'm not biting today.

Watching an alt-med loon try and take down a CF forum is far more interesting. Similar vein really, the notion that the medical establishment is lying to us... so I did nibble.
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Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
« Reply #36 on: December 14, 2012, 09:27:30 AM »

Oh teh nose, you've compared me to a group of crazy people! Why, that must totally invalidate my argument!  ;/

I suppose as the data grows that demonstrates how wrong your side is, it's inevitable that you'd go from trying to argue on the merits and instead resort to silly name calling. Kind of pathetic, really.
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Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
« Reply #37 on: December 14, 2012, 09:48:12 AM »

The thing I always found interesting is that in the "Climate models" that predict that we're all going to get roasted (after we drown in hurricanes and typhoons and freeze to death in massive blizzards) is that none of them modeled water vapor.


Why is that?
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Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
« Reply #38 on: December 14, 2012, 09:53:56 AM »

edit - actually, no.
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Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
« Reply #39 on: December 14, 2012, 10:01:51 AM »

edit - actually, no.

Look Iain, until you recognise that there's a global conspiracy of thousands of scientists all motivated by Marxism, you cannot have any hope of understanding climate science. 

They are making it up to take away America's wealth.  Starting with Lord Kelvin - I mean really, he starts talking about CO2 and climate change exactly how long before Marxism ravages unsuspecting workers in Europe, leaving them in conditions far, far worse than they'd ever had?
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Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
« Reply #40 on: December 14, 2012, 11:32:42 AM »

Look Iain, until you recognise that there's a global conspiracy of thousands of scientists all motivated by Marxism, you cannot have any hope of understanding climate science. 

They are making it up to take away America's wealth.  Starting with Lord Kelvin - I mean really, he starts talking about CO2 and climate change exactly how long before Marxism ravages unsuspecting workers in Europe, leaving them in conditions far, far worse than they'd ever had?

Wow, baldly misrepresenting your opponents views, and putting in a plug for the beauty and joy of Marxism. That's trolling gold right there.
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Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
« Reply #41 on: December 14, 2012, 11:44:49 AM »

I think both sides agree that the climate of earth has and will continue to change.   There is more than ample proof of that.

Where we disagree is to

1)  Whether man is "causing" (or even has any effect) on it.

2)  What (if anything) can and/or should be done about it.

3)  Whether if it does "change" that it will be "bad" or worse than now.  In fact, there's a good chance, based on the historical record, it could actually be "better".

Because,

4)  We don't even know what "normal" climate is for earth.  (The planets been around for 4 billion +/- years and we have 100-110 years of weather data.)

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Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
« Reply #42 on: December 14, 2012, 01:25:23 PM »

and folks who study weather laugh at the 170 year span that has the zomg crowd so atwitter
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Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
« Reply #44 on: December 14, 2012, 03:56:11 PM »

4)  We don't even know what "normal" climate is for earth.  (The planets been around for 4 billion +/- years and we have 100-110 years of weather data.)

In fact, "normal" may well be centuries-long swings such as that graph showing the Medieval Warming Period, on a recurring basis. We're still not back to farming in Greenland and making domestic wines in Norway, so perhaps the climate we have today is what's abnormal, and we're just heading back toward normalcy.

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Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
« Reply #45 on: December 14, 2012, 04:03:15 PM »

Hey Ian!

Long time no see!

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Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
« Reply #46 on: December 15, 2012, 03:12:17 PM »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/629/629/7074601.stm

And throw in Michael Mann and his "Hide the Decline" e-mails (among others) and you have a hoax.
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Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
« Reply #47 on: December 15, 2012, 03:44:04 PM »

And through in Michael Mann and his "Hide the Decline" e-mails (among others) and you have a hoax. monry making enterprise
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Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
« Reply #48 on: December 18, 2012, 09:56:36 AM »

Progtards push Golobular Worming because they all live on the coasts and they'd be forced to move inland where we dirty filthy conservative knuckle draggers live.  I hear Progtard tastes like chicken.
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