School Shooting at CT Elementary School

[SteveS]

http://www.wtnh.com/dpp/news/fairfield_cty/shooting-newtown-school?hpt=hp_t1#.UMta3eQ8DTp


Anyone live around there?  This is seriously messed up.

[Hutch]

Oh God, why?  Shooter dead, apparently.

[Sindawe]

Crud. 

Listening to Fox News, which is reporting five kids and four adult dead.  Father of a student may be the shooter, or one of them.

 

[kgbsquirrel]

"At least 26 dead including 18 children."

"The shooter was wearing a military vest."

[BobR]

I was listening on the news while driving home a while ago. Parents not able to find their children, how frightening that must be.

This will not end well for proponents of gun freedom.

The push for a hi-cap magazine ban will start immediatley, and have a good chance of passing. When children are killed, emotions will be the overriding factor when making decisions.


bob

[Fitz]

It's times like this I begin to think that there can't possibly be a loving God in this universe

[red headed stranger]

Yesterday, my wife and I were touring the school where we will likely send our oldest for Kindergarten.  I never felt so uneasy as I did when I saw the large "no weapons allowed" signs right at the corner of the premises and at every entrance.

 

[HankB]

There's a method to their madness - these scumbags always seem to head for a soft target.

The reaction by the usual suspects will be to call for even more victim disarmament.  

Without knowing anything about the shooter, I'd venture to guess there's a good chance he'd been prescribed psycho meds by some pill-pushing quack of a shrink . . .

[Marnoot]

Without knowing anything about the shooter, I'd venture to guess there's a good chance he'd been prescribed psycho meds by some pill-pushing quack of a shrink . . .

I think it far more likely he was off any anti-psychotics that had been prescribed.

[TechMan]

Without knowing anything about the shooter, I'd venture to guess there's a good chance he'd been prescribed psycho meds by some pill-pushing quack of a shrink . . .

I think it far more likely he was off any anti-psychotics that had been prescribed.

Or the shrink thought there was a danger but couldn't say anything about it...

[Marnoot]

Or the shrink thought there was a danger but couldn't say anything about it...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_to_warn#Clinical_psychology

[SteveS]

I think it is a bit early to start speculating as to why it happened. 

[red headed stranger]

There are some reports that the shooter is a parent of one of the students.   

[TechMan]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_to_warn#Clinical_psychology

I stand corrected...

[SteveS]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_to_warn#Clinical_psychology

Duty to warn only applies to an identifiable threat.  So yes, if he goes and tells his therapist he is going to kill a bunch of kids at a school, then there is a duty to warn.

[BlueStarLizzard]

I was listening on the news while driving home a while ago. Parents not able to find their children, how frightening that must be.

This will not end well for proponents of gun freedom.

The push for a hi-cap magazine ban will start immediatley, and have a good chance of passing. When children are killed, emotions will be the overriding factor when making decisions.


bob

Boss started asking questions. First was "It had to be an automatic gun, right?". Then she wanted to know why you need a gun that can hold "27 bullets"?

Also protested that even an armed teacher or CCW permit holding adult on school grounds wouldn't have been able to stop something like this, because "it happened so fast." And that "they would have to reload, and the gunman didn't"

Normally, I really respect the women I work for, but when it comes to understanding guns or violent crime or SD, damn, they are dumb.

[Sergeant Bob]

I'm expecting cries for some sort of weapons ban in 3-2-1....

[Balog]

I think it is a bit early to start speculating as to why it happened. 

Yes.

I'm expecting cries for some sort of weapons ban in 3-2-1....

Also this.

[kgbsquirrel]

I'm expecting cries for some sort of weapons ban in 3-2-1....

Also a "military vest" ban.

[AJ Dual]

That the shooter was only 20, and presumably had a pair of handguns is going to be an interesting twist once the press gets on that angle. Or maybe they won't because the laws in both states the shooter seems to be tied to didn't work or were ignored.

That the shooter at the suburban Milwaukee spa who was out to get his estranged wife bought it in a private sale through Armslist.com while under arms prohibition due to a restraining/protection order is the subject of a lawsuit currently.

AFAIK, NJ does allow private sales between individuals, but they must both have a FID/FOID card. And you can't get one for a pistol if under 21.

In CT, you can do a non-FFL private sale, but it has to be run through the State with forms/checks and both must have ownership permits. Again, under 21 not permitted.

(Ah, now some reports say he was 24 and a relative of a teacher at the school.)

[BobR]

and presumably had a pair of handguns

And now reporting a .223 caliber rifle.

This is going to get a lot worse for gun owners, and pretty quick I have a feeling. Probably won't hear cries for gun control today, but just wait until tomorrow!!

bob

[kgbsquirrel]

I'm not sure which turns my stomach more. This psycho doing this, or the ambulance chasing gun-nazis that are going to use this tragedy to push their agenda.

Who is worse, the person that commits the atrocity, or the person who exploits that atrocity for personal gain?

[red headed stranger]

There are some reports that the shooter is a parent of one of the students.   

Now they are saying that the shooter's mother was a Kindergarten teacher at the school. 

[AJ Dual]

I'm not sure which turns my stomach more. This psycho doing this, or the ambulance chasing gun-nazis that are going to use this tragedy to push their agenda.

Who is worse, the person that commits the atrocity, or the person who exploits that atrocity for personal gain?

I say the best defense is a good offense.

Openly advocate for armed teachers/staff, and if that ever actually happens, these school spree shootings will be a memory.  The CCW/Shoot Back argument started in earnest during VT and got some traction.

At minimum it might at least push the gun arguments to a "draw".

(edit) https://www.facebook.com/rlanza?fref=ts look while you can.

[SteveS]

I'm not sure which turns my stomach more. This psycho doing this, or the ambulance chasing gun-nazis that are going to use this tragedy to push their agenda.

Who is worse, the person that commits the atrocity, or the person who exploits that atrocity for personal gain?

Thought they are both despicable in different ways, I would have to give the edge to the killer. I am sure there will be no shortage of groups and politicians that will exploit this in a huge variety of ways.

Within the next few days I am sure we will hear about any kind of treatment he underwent, books he read, violent movies he watched, music he listened to, guns he owned, and all sorts of other aspects of his life that 'experts' can pick apart.