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Re: School Shooting at CT Elementary School
« Reply #50 on: December 14, 2012, 05:28:16 PM »
In maybe 3-5 minutes, yeah.

Remember the timed fire drills they used to do in elementary school?  Everyone was out of the building in 3-5 minutes.  And that's calm and orderly, once the bell starts ringing.



Now, what happens when the bad guy comes into the office first, and kills the people supposed to call 911?  Then goes through the rest of the campus, while everyone else is assuming the office called 911?

A 500 student school could be evacuated in 90 seconds or less, if the kids were taught that the sound of gunfire means GTFO, now.

After the Jonesboro shooting more schools went to the lockdown procedure rather than an evacuation procedure.
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Re: School Shooting at CT Elementary School
« Reply #51 on: December 14, 2012, 05:28:45 PM »
Excellent point!
OTOH, if a school huddles all of the kids into a kill zone, they can claim they followed procedures and did everything could to keep the kids safe.

sadly you can bet a legal mind was involved in that decision. and odds are that its safer given most of the "lockdowns" are false alarms
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Re: School Shooting at CT Elementary School
« Reply #52 on: December 14, 2012, 05:29:08 PM »
Gird your loins, they'll be after them after this shooting.
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Re: School Shooting at CT Elementary School
« Reply #53 on: December 14, 2012, 05:48:23 PM »
I've already been hearing calls for banning guns.

Bodies aren't even cold, and the banners are out in force.

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Re: School Shooting at CT Elementary School
« Reply #54 on: December 14, 2012, 06:00:16 PM »
There's a method to their madness - these scumbags always seem to head for a soft target.

The reaction by the usual suspects will be to call for even more victim disarmament.   :facepalm:

Without knowing anything about the shooter, I'd venture to guess there's a good chance he'd been prescribed psycho meds by some pill-pushing quack of a shrink . . .

Of course they find a soft target - if they hit a hard one, they might not rack up the high body count they so desire. Hell, they might just BOUNCE.

Everything I've seen so far implies mental issues, though I've seen nothing definitive yet.

Re: the victim-disarmament groups spooling up for their regular assault on the rights of tens of millions who had nothing to do with the attack - http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2012/12/14/after-connecticut-shooting-gun-control-rally-planned-for-white-house/   They had a protest scheduled sometime between 11A and 2P, to take place outside the White House at 4:30P today, as a result of this shooting. They were ready and waiting for the next big shooting.

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Re: School Shooting at CT Elementary School
« Reply #55 on: December 14, 2012, 06:22:08 PM »
I do think we need more crazy people control. It's going to come down to that, or banning guns totally. Either the rights of everyone will be violated, or we agree to violate the rights, if only temporarily, of the unconvicted mentally disturbed people out there.

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Re: School Shooting at CT Elementary School
« Reply #56 on: December 14, 2012, 06:26:30 PM »
I do think we need more crazy people control. It's going to come down to that, or banning guns totally. Either the rights of everyone will be violated, or we agree to violate the rights, if only temporarily, of the unconvicted mentally disturbed people out there.

And how are you going to determine who's "crazy" then? If it means losing your 2A rights no one will ever seek help again.
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Re: School Shooting at CT Elementary School
« Reply #57 on: December 14, 2012, 06:28:14 PM »

And how are you going to determine who's "crazy" then? If it means losing your 2A rights no one will ever seek help again.


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Re: School Shooting at CT Elementary School
« Reply #58 on: December 14, 2012, 06:30:25 PM »

I've already been hearing calls for banning guns.

Bodies aren't even cold, and the banners are out in force.

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What we really need is a law setting the lower age limit boundary for pistols to 21 years of age, so that 20-year-olds can't rampage around with a pair of pistols.

Oh, wait . . .
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Re: School Shooting at CT Elementary School
« Reply #59 on: December 14, 2012, 06:31:22 PM »
It's okay.  You can trust me.

I'm a doctor. With the government.

FTFY.
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Re: School Shooting at CT Elementary School
« Reply #60 on: December 14, 2012, 06:46:04 PM »
I suppose it's natural in a chaotic situation, but there has been a LOT of misinformation floated about.

  • The shooter was a 24 year old named Ryan. Turns out it was Ryan's 20-year old brother, Adam, and Ryan was at work in New Jersey. But ... Adam was carrying Ryan's ID.
  • The shooter killed his mother at home before going to the school. But ... he also killed his mother at the school. (She was a teacher.) That means he killed someone else at home -- and it wasn't his father, because his father was in Stamford, where the police found him and were interviewing him
  • The shooter used two / three / four firearms. Who the heck knows? Early reports said he used a .223 assault weapon. Later reports said the AR was found in the car he drove to the school. Two firearms were supposedly recovered inside the school, but only one near his body. ???
  • The older brother's girlfriend -- and another friend -- are missing from New Jersey. Who knows what that's about. The older brother wasn't the shooter, so it's irrelevant.
  • Newton school system had just instituted a new security protocol to "prevent" such incidents. Doors get locked at 9:30. After 9:30 all visitors must be buzzed in and must go to the office to sign in. Worked like a charm, as far as I can tell. The shooter went to the office and shot three people -- the principal was one of the fatalities.

I'm already catching it at home. My wife the anti-gunner is telling me that this is why guns shouldn't be allowed to be owned by anyone but the police, and the Constitution should be scrapped because it's "out of touch with reality."

Stay tuned. I'm sure the police will be investigating around the clock for the first 48 hours or so, so we'll see more/better information filtering in over the next couple of days.
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Re: School Shooting at CT Elementary School
« Reply #61 on: December 14, 2012, 06:59:39 PM »

Disarming teachers is out of touch with reality.

Pretending that laws prevent crime is out of touch with reality.


You know who's in touch with reality regarding school security?  Israel, that's who.

Time to bring in the Israelis to teach us how school security is really done.
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Re: School Shooting at CT Elementary School
« Reply #62 on: December 14, 2012, 07:21:52 PM »
What do they do? Micro?

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Re: School Shooting at CT Elementary School
« Reply #63 on: December 14, 2012, 07:25:18 PM »
Not sure how it would be managed, but I'm getting really tired of seeing people who are known by many people, (their own families, fellow coworkers, fellow students, etc.) get access to guns and killing many people. This is not a matter of one doctor saying they are ill.

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Re: School Shooting at CT Elementary School
« Reply #64 on: December 14, 2012, 07:32:15 PM »
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I do think we need more crazy people control.

Yeah, but how do we do that?

If I were a "doctor," or some "crazy person specialist," I would be reluctant to sign off on anybody.
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Re: School Shooting at CT Elementary School
« Reply #65 on: December 14, 2012, 07:34:33 PM »
Not sure how it would be managed, but I'm getting really tired of seeing people who are known by many people, (their own families, fellow coworkers, fellow students, etc.) get access to guns and killing many people. This is not a matter of one doctor saying they are ill.

What if you're in Liberalville USA and you're known by many as unstable because you're bitterly clinging to your guns? Because you have an "arsenal" of a couple AR's and a case of ammo?

I also note how stupid it is to try to keep people from getting guns by making it so that they can't buy one at a gun store. Will you also accept "closing the gun show loophole" to make your plan work?
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Re: School Shooting at CT Elementary School
« Reply #66 on: December 14, 2012, 07:35:20 PM »
*twitch-twitch*  :mad:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/14/Bloomberg-politicizes-shooting

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Re: School Shooting at CT Elementary School
« Reply #67 on: December 14, 2012, 07:47:02 PM »
That's part of my point. Being interested in guns is a tiny part of this, and I think even the general public gets that. These last few shooters have quite a history of mental illness.

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Re: School Shooting at CT Elementary School
« Reply #68 on: December 14, 2012, 08:13:22 PM »
It's okay.  You can trust me.

I'm a doctor.

I would certainly trust the typical physician over an Operating Thetan in Sea Org with an E-meter.
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Re: School Shooting at CT Elementary School
« Reply #69 on: December 14, 2012, 08:52:30 PM »
That's part of my point. Being interested in guns is a tiny part of this, and I think even the general public gets that. These last few shooters have quite a history of mental illness.

In this day and age, a lot of people do. We know mental illiness has got to be a factor when people commit crimes like this. The problem is the label "mental illness" covers a LOT of people, plenty of whom arn't going out on shooting spree's.


I've come to the conclusion that such acts can almost never be stopped before they happen without seriously infringing the rights of everyone.
The best method of cutting down on the number of such incidents is to take away the perceived result from the one who commits it. Which means stopping them in the act and not glorifing the tradgidy on the news.
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Re: School Shooting at CT Elementary School
« Reply #70 on: December 14, 2012, 09:01:32 PM »

I would certainly trust the typical physician over an Operating Thetan in Sea Org with an E-meter.


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Re: School Shooting at CT Elementary School
« Reply #71 on: December 14, 2012, 09:02:58 PM »
You know, if the media wouldn't make these crazy *expletive deleted*s out to be temporary rock stars then just maybe the next crazy *expletive deleted*ck would find a different outlet for his problems.

Instead we have the media broadcasting every minute detail of every crazy ass *expletive deleted*s life that does something like this. IMO many shootings like this only happen because the lunatic knows he will be immortalized by the media.

Again IMO, I think if we named the perpetrators of events like this similar to how hurricanes are named, we would take away a lot of what attracts people to do things like shoot a room full of kindergartners. These crazy ass son of a bitches are desperate for attention, why else would you do something like this.. Instead the media will repeat his name and his story and basically give him everything he probably wanted bad enough to do this. Recognition.



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Re: School Shooting at CT Elementary School
« Reply #72 on: December 14, 2012, 09:39:40 PM »
In this day and age, a lot of people do. We know mental illiness has got to be a factor when people commit crimes like this. The problem is the label "mental illness" covers a LOT of people, plenty of whom arn't going out on shooting spree's.

Had a fellow earlier today try to tell me about how we need to preempt the insane people better, and then went on to lump in those diagnosed with PTSD. My reply to him...

    "You mean like me? I was diagnosed with it. It manifested as depression, anxiety and lethargy. It did not, however, affect my moral or ethical reasoning. You should not conflate all incidences of PTSD to be those showing uncontrolled violent tendencies."

...that put the brakes on him rather quickly.

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Re: School Shooting at CT Elementary School
« Reply #73 on: December 14, 2012, 10:03:30 PM »
Had a fellow earlier today try to tell me about how we need to preempt the insane people better, and then went on to lump in those diagnosed with PTSD. My reply to him...

    "You mean like me? I was diagnosed with it. It manifested as depression, anxiety and lethargy. It did not, however, affect my moral or ethical reasoning. You should not conflate all incidences of PTSD to be those showing uncontrolled violent tendencies."

...that put the brakes on him rather quickly.

Exactly.

The thing is, our society has a lot more emphisis on pyshcological health. Which means almost everyone has at least a pysch evaluation collecting dust in a docters office somewhere.
The fact that we specifically know these murderers have recorded mental illnesses and have received treatment for such, either currently or previously, is not a shocking piece of information in a culture that places such emphisis on mental health and diagnosis, because it just doesn't mean anything special anymore. I would guess the majority of people in this country have had some sort of treatment for metal illness.

What should be more intresting is that, despite the prevalence of such assisments and supposed understanding, we seem to have more such incidences of violent attacks like this rather then less. The advances in the feild of psycology don't seem to be relivent at all in the prevention of such crimes.
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Re: School Shooting at CT Elementary School
« Reply #74 on: December 14, 2012, 10:14:08 PM »
read an interview with a mom who was in conference with principle and school shrink when it started. said they left to investigate and were amongst the dead. hats off to them doing the right thing  shame they were denied tools needed to suceed
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