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Fugitive alleged LAPD-killer is first drone target on U.S. soil
« on: February 11, 2013, 09:08:16 AM »
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It's official: The drone war has come home to America. Wanted fugitive Christopher Dorner, the homicidal former cop currently at war with the LAPD, has become the first known human target for airborne drones on U.S. soil. Their use was confirmed by Customs and Border Patrol spokesman Ralph DeSio, who revealed the government's fear that Dorner will make a dash for the Mexican border.

http://now.msn.com/christopher-dorner-is-first-drone-target-on-us-soil#scptmfs

Not sure anything more needs to be said, I guess we all knew it was inevitable  [tinfoil]

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Re: Fugitive alleged LAPD-killer is first drone target on U.S. soil
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2013, 09:11:42 AM »
No confirmation in the article whether they mean "target" in terms of a Hellfire from 30,000 feet, or tracking/interdiction target.

I propose Claire Wolf's "time" advances another notch if the former.
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Re: Fugitive alleged LAPD-killer is first drone target on U.S. soil
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2013, 09:15:19 AM »
Probably just surveillance/tracking. Then again, we could expect anything from those drunk on power.
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Re: Fugitive alleged LAPD-killer is first drone target on U.S. soil
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2013, 09:17:16 AM »
The drones arent armed. Really no different in this case than a helo like they've been using (and a lot more cost effective). Same sensors (FLIR).

Oh and theyve been using UAVs for border survellience for a while. ZOMG!!!111!!!!!
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Re: Fugitive alleged LAPD-killer is first drone target on U.S. soil
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2013, 09:25:26 AM »
They are probably going to use this as a show case to bolster the popularity of drone use. The problem with drones is that their cost effectiveness makes the use of ubiquitous surveillance budget-feasible. That's not good.
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Re: Fugitive alleged LAPD-killer is first drone target on U.S. soil
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2013, 09:39:43 AM »
If you don't believe that drones have been used over US soil for several years and to track US citizens, you're sorely mistaken.
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Re: Fugitive alleged LAPD-killer is first drone target on U.S. soil
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2013, 10:24:19 AM »
If you don't believe that drones have been used over US soil for several years and to track US citizens, you're sorely mistaken.
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Re: Fugitive alleged LAPD-killer is first drone target on U.S. soil
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2013, 02:42:54 PM »
My worry is that they now feel comfortable making it public knowledge. Typically, that means they have already taken the next step in secret.
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Re: Fugitive alleged LAPD-killer is first drone target on U.S. soil
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2013, 04:01:20 PM »
CA cops, unable to distinguish two women delivering newspapers from their fugitive, shot them, their vehicle (a different make and model from the fugitive's), along with nearby homes and parked cars. If cops RIGHT ON THE SCENE can't identify their target any better than that, the idea of an ARMED drone being used domestically bothers me.

A lot.

(I don't believe they've deployed armed drones stateside yet.)
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Re: Fugitive alleged LAPD-killer is first drone target on U.S. soil
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2013, 04:07:02 PM »
If you don't believe that drones have been used over US soil for several years and to track US citizens, you're sorely mistaken.

Yup. Just look at some of the names on the latest UAV COA release by the FAA.
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Re: Fugitive alleged LAPD-killer is first drone target on U.S. soil
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2013, 04:26:45 PM »
This time, a SILVER *expletive deleted*ing XTERRA

At least they had the make right this time.

But it's ok. They're scared, and... um... officer safety!


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Re: Fugitive alleged LAPD-killer is first drone target on U.S. soil
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2013, 04:54:49 PM »
This time, a SILVER *expletive deleted* XTERRA

At least they had the make right this time.

But it's ok. They're scared, and... um... officer safety!


http://www.nodeju.com/36249/police-shoot-at-third-innocent-victim-looking-for-christopher-dorner.html

LAPD is gonna earn themselves a civil uprising.
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Re: Fugitive alleged LAPD-killer is first drone target on U.S. soil
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2013, 05:01:26 PM »
LAPD is gonna earn themselves a civil uprising.

And you know what? They'll deserve it.

If they kill an innocent black man, they'll REALLY be *expletive deleted*ed.
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Re: Fugitive alleged LAPD-killer is first drone target on U.S. soil
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2013, 05:05:44 PM »
I wouldn't stand for this stuff in PHX, I'll tell you right now.  There'd be some serious phone trees and planning going on.  Libertarians, voluntaryists, tea partiers, 2A supporters, whatever.  This is abhorrent to the notion of civilization.

I guarantee you someone in LA has the same thought.

If there isn't a siege on city hall or a major PD precinct the next time... I'll be shocked.
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Re: Fugitive alleged LAPD-killer is first drone target on U.S. soil
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2013, 05:23:29 PM »
Does anyone know if the cops involved in each of these incidents were beat cops, or if they were called out of their desk jobs to help with the manhunt? It doesn't justify the result either way, but THREE times!?! I'm trying to figure out if it's beat cops that watched one too many Lethal Weapon movies, or untrained cops that are scared stiff that they may actually have an equally armed opponent and are shooting at anything that moves. It's looking like the latter to me at this point. They're starting to remind me of the recurring hysterical character in bad sci-fi movies that always seals himself in the escape pod and lets everyone else die so he can get away.

On the face of it, even (especially) the first incident is difficult for them to justify, but I would have been willing to give anyone their day in court. But again, THREE times now?
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Re: Fugitive alleged LAPD-killer is first drone target on U.S. soil
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2013, 05:28:49 PM »
This time, a SILVER *expletive deleted* XTERRA

At least they had the make right this time.

But it's ok. They're scared, and... um... officer safety!


http://www.nodeju.com/36249/police-shoot-at-third-innocent-victim-looking-for-christopher-dorner.html

i can't find another source for that third shooting.  and the stories got some other interesting qwirks.  i'd take it with several grains of salt

drones have been used for years 
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Re: Fugitive alleged LAPD-killer is first drone target on U.S. soil
« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2013, 05:48:37 PM »
All this fuss and bother over someone who is probably a vengencecicle by now.

Read a bit into Rambro's manifesto.  Looks to me, he has gone all First Blood because folks used the n-word.  Especially two Mexican-descent cops who refused to apologize to him for it.  He makes a big deal about it and says he beat on someone for using it. 

Dude is definitely not hero of the revolution material.
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Re: Fugitive alleged LAPD-killer is first drone target on U.S. soil
« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2013, 05:50:52 PM »
All this fuss and bother over someone who is probably a vengencecicle by now.

Read a bit into Rambro's manifesto.  Looks to me, he has gone all First Blood because folks used the n-word.  Especially two Mexican-descent cops who refused to apologize to him for it.  He makes a big deal about it and says he beat on someone for using it. 

Dude is definitely not hero of the revolution material.

hey!  thats my line! >:D
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Re: Fugitive alleged LAPD-killer is first drone target on U.S. soil
« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2013, 05:57:02 PM »
All this fuss and bother over someone who is probably a vengencecicle by now.

Read a bit into Rambro's manifesto.  Looks to me, he has gone all First Blood because folks used the n-word.  Especially two Mexican-descent cops who refused to apologize to him for it.  He makes a big deal about it and says he beat on someone for using it. 

Dude is definitely not hero of the revolution material.

I suspect very much many people who kicked off actual revolutions - including many who are revered today for starting very decent revolutions - were nasty pieces of work in their own right.
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Re: Fugitive alleged LAPD-killer is first drone target on U.S. soil
« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2013, 06:12:44 PM »
I suspect very much many people who kicked off actual revolutions - including many who are revered today for starting very decent revolutions - were nasty pieces of work in their own right.

This.

And make no mistake, any would-be revolutionary today would fall squarely into the terrorist classification of bad guys.
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Re: Fugitive alleged LAPD-killer is first drone target on U.S. soil
« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2013, 06:21:55 PM »
The normalizing of the use of surveillance drones is why I find this provocative.

Once the use of drones is SOP, normal and prevalent so will the misuse become SOP, normal and prevalent.  

If anything embodies the spirit of "Big Brother" the expansion of drone surveillance on citizens who have not been found guilty of a crime sure does.

I'm afraid that is where we are heading.
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Re: Fugitive alleged LAPD-killer is first drone target on U.S. soil
« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2013, 06:29:11 PM »
The normalizing of the use of surveillance drones is why I find this provocative.

Once the use of drones is SOP, normal and prevalent so will the misuse become SOP, normal and prevalent.  

If anything embodies the spirit of "Big Brother" the expansion of drone surveillance on citizens who have not been found guilty of a crime sure does.

I'm afraid that is where we are heading.


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Re: Fugitive alleged LAPD-killer is first drone target on U.S. soil
« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2013, 08:00:41 PM »
This time, a SILVER *expletive deleted* XTERRA

At least they had the make right this time.

But it's ok. They're scared, and... um... officer safety!


http://www.nodeju.com/36249/police-shoot-at-third-innocent-victim-looking-for-christopher-dorner.html

I'm pretty sure this is the second shooting being rehashed with a misleading headline.  (not your fault, it tricked me too until I read the driver's name.)  The first 2 victims were the Asian women and Perdue was number 3.
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« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2013, 08:57:43 PM »
Personally, I have no issue with unarmed civilian agency drones.  Hell, they already have helos and fixed wings.  And if you consider the fact that many LEO agencies can deliver a fire team of armed officers with a helo, or even use the  armed officers for firing on suspects.
No matter what surveillance  methods the police use, they still have to climb over the 4th and 5th amendments.  Many have bad their hands slapped for peeping with IR tech into homes and onto properties.

My issue will always be WHOSE drones are being cruised across our skies.
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