Montage of refusals to submit to DHS checkpoints

[roo_ster]

I've lived on two border states.

Never been harassed

Whatever.

The checkpoints I've seen weren't right on the border, but were fairly close

Live in a border state and hit the border every once in a while.  They have been pushing the BP checkpoints quite a ways in over time and increasing the pressure on Americans.  As is the usual case, when Americans clamor for gov't to shoulder its responsibilities, gov't chooses to do it in a way that maximizes harassment of citizens and minimizes impact on evildoers.

[Fitz]

Live in a border state and hit the border every once in a while.  They have been pushing the BP checkpoints quite a ways in over time and increasing the pressure on Americans.  As is the usual case, when Americans clamor for gov't to shoulder its responsibilities, gov't chooses to do it in a way that maximizes harassment of citizens and minimizes impact on evildoers.

Last time I crosse regularly was in 2007... Has it gotten worse? It wasn't bad at all then

If it has, then I retract my "I'm cool with it"

[Fly320s]

The one near Falfurias, TX is 71 miles from the border near McAllen, TX.

[Strings]

I will allow an officer to search my vehicle under 3 conditions:

1) they have a warrant
2) they can articulate probable cause
3) they let me pee in their boot first

Otherwise? Nope. Don't care about your checkpoint, or anything else. And I have PLENTY of time...

[zxcvbob]

Is that warrant AND articulable probable cause AND pee in the boot, or warrant OR probable cause...

[Strings]

Any one of the three is acceptable.

Problem being, some of the local cops know me, and would keep a spare boot on hand just because...

[MicroBalrog]

Live in a border state and hit the border every once in a while.  They have been pushing the BP checkpoints quite a ways in over time and increasing the pressure on Americans.  As is the usual case, when Americans clamor for gov't to shoulder its responsibilities, gov't chooses to do it in a way that maximizes harassment of citizens and minimizes impact on evildoers.

anarchist er reality does that huh

[lupinus]

I'm rather partial to the guy asking the check point dude for his ID.

[Tallpine]

So the feds choose not to secure the border, but harass tens of thousands of US citizens instead  

I can sorta understand it if it was a road heading directly to/from the border.  For one thing, an outsider would see that they were passing a check station when headed south, and could choose to continue or not.  But if this is happening on major east-west highways 50 to 100 miles from the border, then it is absolutely unacceptable.  

I'm rather partial to the guy asking the check point dude for his ID.

It's kind of ironic when a "mexican" is asking a white if he/she is a US citizen   

[roo_ster]

In defense of the BP, not everything they do at the border is a complete CF.  And most of the agents are decent sorts, having met a bunch.  Sadly, their management is the most mendacious cabal of poltroons this side of a pirate ship and intentionally place stimbling blocks in their way and try to maximize the harassment of citizens.

To that end, placing BP checkpoints a ways in at road choke points in-country a makes some sense, even if it is unconstitutional.  My main objections are:
1. Too far inland and catch up too many innocent folk.  

2. Foreign infiltrators need to be nabbed at the border or near the border.

3. Unconstitutional.  Being within 100miles of the border is not PC.

This is where a quality Israeli-style fence is vital to slow down and channel foreign infiltrators.  Toss in training on patrols & ambushes by Regular Army, NG, and Reserve infantry & MPS & other similar units along the border (with a BP agent/sheriff's deputy along).  You know, have our defense forces actually defending the country for a change.  A good fence, ground sensors, commo & sensor fusion, and mounted & foot patrols could easily nab 95% of infiltrators.  Oh, and put proposed/demo/LRIP hardware to the test. 

This is not crazy talk, as American companies actually design & implement such for allies with border problems and the money to pay for an effective solution.  We are just not allowed to do it for, you know, America.  InStead, BullshIt requests for proposals are seNt out and lEast likely To succeed candidates are chosen to be implemented.  Then they fail in ways we predicted they would fail.



Boeing: If you absolutely, positively must strangle a ground system in the cradle, award us the contract and we'll make sure nothing useful ever sees the light of day while paying our satellite engineers to play Army Man.

[Lee]

So the feds choose not to secure the border, but harass tens of thousands of US citizens instead

Kinda like the airport.  Little old white ladies from Iowa are far less potential trouble than a guy named Farouk from the Sudan.

[Fitz]

So the feds choose not to secure the border, but harass tens of thousands of US citizens instead  

I can sorta understand it if it was a road heading directly to/from the border.  For one thing, an outsider would see that they were passing a check station when headed south, and could choose to continue or not.  But if this is happening on major east-west highways 50 to 100 miles from the border, then it is absolutely unacceptable.  


It's kind of ironic when a "mexican" is asking a white if he/she is a US citizen    

The few i've dealt with have been on major north/south arteries. The one in north san diego county, for example, is at a natural choke point.

That said, i haven't been harassed. And like mentioned above, the BP guys i've met have been, overall, a bunch of good guys doing a rough job with *expletive deleted*it management.

[Fitz]

In defense of the BP, not everything they do at the border is a complete CF.  And most of the agents are decent sorts, having met a bunch.  Sadly, their management is the most mendacious cabal of poltroons this side of a pirate ship and intentionally place stimbling blocks in their way and try to maximize the harassment of citizens.

To that end, placing BP checkpoints a ways in at road choke points in-country a makes some sense, even if it is unconstitutional.  My main objections are:
1. Too far inland and catch up too many innocent folk.  

2. Foreign infiltrators need to be nabbed at the border or near the border.

3. Unconstitutional.  Being within 100miles of the border is not PC.

This is where a quality Israeli-style fence is vital to slow down and channel foreign infiltrators.  Toss in training on patrols & ambushes by Regular Army, NG, and Reserve infantry & MPS & other similar units along the border (with a BP agent/sheriff's deputy along).  You know, have our defense forces actually defending the country for a change.  A good fence, ground sensors, commo & sensor fusion, and mounted & foot patrols could easily nab 95% of infiltrators.  Oh, and put proposed/demo/LRIP hardware to the test. 

This is not crazy talk, as American companies actually design & implement such for allies with border problems and the money to pay for an effective solution.  We are just not allowed to do it for, you know, America.  InStead, BullshIt requests for proposals are seNt out and lEast likely To succeed candidates are chosen to be implemented.  Then they fail in ways we predicted they would fail.



Boeing: If you absolutely, positively must strangle a ground system in the cradle, award us the contract and we'll make sure nothing useful ever sees the light of day while paying our satellite engineers to play Army Man.

Interesting you mention SBINet.

One of the reasons MY network was created (outside of OneNet and SBINet) is to leverage the existing raw technology (UGS, RVSS, radar) but put it on a system not hampered by the idiotic shitstorm that is SBINet and OneNet.

[Tallpine]

The few i've dealt with have been on major north/south arteries. The one in north san diego county, for example, is at a natural choke point.

That said, i haven't been harassed. And like mentioned above, the BP guys i've met have been, overall, a bunch of good guys doing a rough job with *expletive deleted* management.

Seems like a waste of effort.  So it's okay if the illegals just stay in SD   Also, isn't there a major highway heading east from roughly downtown SD?  (all I know is from Lindbergh Field out to near Miramar, and a little bit over to La Jolla and Torrey Pines)


Still, I dunno that I would have a problem just being asked if I was a US citizen - notwithstanding the unconstitutional limitations that make that status somewhat ineffectual.  I might point out that I had at least one great great great grandfather that served in the Colonial Army