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Re: Two explosions close to the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
« Reply #125 on: April 16, 2013, 01:29:41 PM »
"We don't know" is usually where an investigation is less than 24 hours after a major criminal act occurs, despite what C.S.I. teaches us about the process. 

Oh, I know.  I'm just not sure why he chose to just repeat yesterdays speech.
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Re: Two explosions close to the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
« Reply #126 on: April 16, 2013, 01:48:24 PM »
A pressure cooker as a bomb vessel, interesting idea. Must have been a small pressure cooker if it fit into a backpack.
Does that mean my 23qt pressure cooker is now baned because it is high capacity?
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Re: Two explosions close to the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
« Reply #127 on: April 16, 2013, 02:02:03 PM »
Does that mean my 23qt pressure cooker is now baned because it is high capacity?
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Re: Two explosions close to the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
« Reply #128 on: April 16, 2013, 03:12:00 PM »
A pressure cooker as a bomb vessel, interesting idea. Must have been a small pressure cooker if it fit into a backpack.
Does that mean my 23qt pressure cooker is now baned because it is high capacity?


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Re: Two explosions close to the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
« Reply #129 on: April 16, 2013, 03:41:18 PM »
Oh, I know.  I'm just not sure why he chose to just repeat yesterdays speech.


Kind of like last night when I watched the Asst. Director of the FBI come on, then the U.S Attorney, then the Police Commissioner, then the County D.A.

All gotta show their faces to claim they're doing everything right, out of fear a political opponent will argue otherwise.
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Re: Two explosions close to the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
« Reply #130 on: April 16, 2013, 04:49:13 PM »
I have a funny feeling that, if that is true, those of us who shoot black powder are going to have a LOT more hoops to jump through before too long.

I just popped over to Grafs. They have all their BP still in stock at normal prices. I'm wondering how long that will last. I'd be inclined to order 10lbs or so right now. On the other hand I wonder how much scrutiny large orders of BP might trigger right now.
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Re: Two explosions close to the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
« Reply #131 on: April 16, 2013, 04:51:59 PM »
When I saw the flash and smoke black powder was the first thing that popped into my mind.

I have a funny feeling that, if that is true, those of us who shoot black powder are going to have a LOT more hoops to jump through before too long.

I've started making my own.  (Otoh, I don't shoot much BP anymore.)  I am NOT looking forward to having to make my own nitrate.  :P
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Re: Two explosions close to the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
« Reply #132 on: April 16, 2013, 04:53:11 PM »
I *just* bought a BP rifle because BP gear wasn't under as much pressure as centerfire and rimfire.

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Re: Two explosions close to the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
« Reply #133 on: April 16, 2013, 05:02:49 PM »
A pressure cooker as a bomb vessel, interesting idea. Must have been a small pressure cooker if it fit into a backpack.
Does that mean my 23qt pressure cooker is now baned because it is high capacity?


Watch for stop-and-search of people with backpacks.  "4th amendment, wha dat?"
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Re: Two explosions close to the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
« Reply #134 on: April 16, 2013, 05:06:20 PM »
Watch for stop-and-search of people with backpacks.  "4th amendment, wha dat?"

They're going to be mighty busy in/around schools.

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Re: Two explosions close to the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
« Reply #135 on: April 16, 2013, 06:10:36 PM »
I am morbidly impressed that you guys called it a BP bomb first, before the police/fbi/etc released the info after residue review.
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Re: Two explosions close to the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
« Reply #136 on: April 16, 2013, 06:26:51 PM »
I am morbidly impressed that you guys called it a BP bomb first, before the police/fbi/etc released the info after residue review.

I think what some of us are saying that it doesn't matter what the actual chemical composition turns out to be - restrictions on BP and propellant will likely be debated regardless.
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Re: Two explosions close to the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
« Reply #137 on: April 16, 2013, 06:36:51 PM »
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The fact that the target was an event of great significance to Boston but not particularly significant to the wider world could indicate that the bomber was a local or at least a native of the United States. The explosions occurred on April 15, tax day, which could be a further indication of a domestic connection.

Dear God Almighty!

So the fact that the bomb was set at the finish line of the Boston marathon, which is one of the most famous marathons in the world and attracts 27,000 runners plus possibly hundreds of thousands of spectators (in other words, a high-profile, target-rich environment) -- there's no way the timing could have been related to the date of the marathon? It MUST have been a tax day protest?

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Re: Two explosions close to the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
« Reply #138 on: April 16, 2013, 06:38:11 PM »
I *just* bought a BP rifle because BP gear wasn't under as much pressure as centerfire and rimfire.

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Re: Two explosions close to the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
« Reply #139 on: April 16, 2013, 08:11:11 PM »
And BAM.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-boston-marathon-explosions-20130416,0,4548564.story

Note that neither the article nor the source differentiates between powder and propellant.

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Re: Two explosions close to the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
« Reply #140 on: April 16, 2013, 08:31:53 PM »
Two very interesting links at Drudge:

http://freebeacon.com/al-qaeda-link-probed/

An AQ magazine suggested using pressure cookers in 2010.

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/04/16/saudi_national_no_longer_person_of_interest_in_boston_bombings_no_other_suspects

No suspects.


A big part of me hopes this event goes unsolved.

Why?  How could I be so callous to justice? 

I'm tired of nannyism.  You just can't prevent everything.  You can't buy security.  You have to earn it.  And maybe something like this going unsolved would cause New England and other parts of the US that aren't "flyover" to start taking accountability for individual actions and security rather than shoving more collectivism down my throat.



But they're probably more likely to just go London/Orwellian and throw a bunch of cameras, random van-mounted backscatter X-ray machines, obligatory frisks and searches and other things that make me stay away from "their" cities.
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Re: Two explosions close to the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
« Reply #141 on: April 16, 2013, 08:42:16 PM »
Two very interesting links at Drudge:

http://freebeacon.com/al-qaeda-link-probed/

An AQ magazine suggested using pressure cookers in 2010.

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/04/16/saudi_national_no_longer_person_of_interest_in_boston_bombings_no_other_suspects

No suspects.


A big part of me hopes this event goes unsolved.

Why?  How could I be so callous to justice? 

I'm tired of nannyism.  You just can't prevent everything.  You can't buy security.  You have to earn it.  And maybe something like this going unsolved would cause New England and other parts of the US that aren't "flyover" to start taking accountability for individual actions and security rather than shoving more collectivism down my throat.



But they're probably more likely to just go London/Orwellian and throw a bunch of cameras, random van-mounted backscatter X-ray machines, obligatory frisks and searches and other things that make me stay away from "their" cities.
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Re: Two explosions close to the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
« Reply #142 on: April 16, 2013, 09:03:32 PM »
And BAM.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-boston-marathon-explosions-20130416,0,4548564.story

Note that neither the article nor the source differentiates between powder and propellant.

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I find it interesting that the source(s) [allegedly] don't seem to actually come right out and say that the explosive residue was of gunpowder, blackpowder, etc.   Just seem to make that assumption.   Granted, that assumption may be correct, but I'm so [censored] tired of the media just pulling things out of their fourth point of contact....
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Re: Two explosions close to the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
« Reply #143 on: April 16, 2013, 09:09:40 PM »
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I agree completely

What he said,  and well said.

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Re: Two explosions close to the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
« Reply #144 on: April 16, 2013, 10:56:32 PM »
Anybody else notice they failed to throw a welcome back party for the word "terrorism"? He's been out in the cold for a while, and he just suddenly shows up, and nobody says anything? Odd.  ;/

Well, I guess he hasn't been totally gone. Just ruled out for anything that can't be blamed on the vast right-wing conspiracy.
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Re: Two explosions close to the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
« Reply #145 on: April 16, 2013, 10:57:50 PM »
But they're probably more likely to just go London/Orwellian and throw a bunch of cameras, random van-mounted backscatter X-ray machines, obligatory frisks and searches and other things that make me stay away from "their" cities.


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Re: Two explosions close to the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
« Reply #146 on: April 16, 2013, 11:14:28 PM »
Crime scene photos:

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/21996004/exclusive-photos-boston-marathon-bomb

Pressure cooker + BP + pellets and finishing nails apparently.

A big part of me hopes this event goes unsolved.

Why?  How could I be so callous to justice? 

I'm tired of nannyism.  You just can't prevent everything.  You can't buy security.  You have to earn it.  And maybe something like this going unsolved would cause New England and other parts of the US that aren't "flyover" to start taking accountability for individual actions and security rather than shoving more collectivism down my throat.



But they're probably more likely to just go London/Orwellian and throw a bunch of cameras, random van-mounted backscatter X-ray machines, obligatory frisks and searches and other things that make me stay away from "their" cities.

Does sorta make make sense, but another part of me wants to see the perpetrator castrated with a golf club.   :mad: [ar15]

Seriously though, if this goes unsolved (or solved, really), that guy on the roof is gonna be Boston's version of the grassy knoll.  :facepalm:
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Re: Two explosions close to the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
« Reply #147 on: April 17, 2013, 12:03:13 AM »
Anybody else notice they failed to throw a welcome back party for the word "terrorism"? He's been out in the cold for a while, and he just suddenly shows up, and nobody says anything? Odd.  ;/

Well, I guess he hasn't been totally gone. Just ruled out for anything that can't be blamed on the vast right-wing conspiracy.

What I noticed was some DHS talking head in an interview taking credit for the fact that we haven't had many high profile bombings for a number of years. But as he got into specifics of some plots, it became immediately apparent that the plots were not stopped by DHS (or any other government agency at any level), but by the stupidity and/or incompetence of the plotters.

I was not reassured by his words (not that I expected to be).
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Re: Two explosions close to the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
« Reply #148 on: April 17, 2013, 01:49:01 AM »
Why a pressure cooker?  I know it's a pressure vessel, but so is a 1# propane tank, and those are cheaper and should have a much higher burst strength.  Or just a good ol' fashioned pipe with endcaps.  It's not like they were creating a steam BLEV explosion.

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Re: Two explosions close to the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
« Reply #149 on: April 17, 2013, 08:04:47 AM »
Why a pressure cooker?  I know it's a pressure vessel, but so is a 1# propane tank, and those are cheaper and should have a much higher burst strength.  Or just a good ol' fashioned pipe with endcaps.  It's not like they were creating a steam BLEV explosion.

Probably not good to wonder these things out-loud...

It was in one of Al Queda's magazines how to make one from a pressure cooker.

http://minx.cc:81/?post=208787

This blog post summarizes the point without having to go to an Al Queda website for the details.
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