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Re: Two explosions close to the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
« Reply #525 on: April 26, 2013, 07:45:11 PM »
....Or that it was a boating accident.

APS knows boating accidents.  Why, just the other day, I was hauling up shrimp pots in my kayak when it overturned, dumping all my firearms into Puget Sound.  Truly a boating accident.
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Re: Two explosions close to the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
« Reply #526 on: April 26, 2013, 08:12:38 PM »
APS knows boating accidents.  Why, just the other day, I was hauling up shrimp pots in my kayak when it overturned, dumping all my firearms into Puget Sound.  Truly a boating accident.

And if the cops question you further, just clam up.
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Re: Two explosions close to the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
« Reply #527 on: April 26, 2013, 11:00:24 PM »
APS knows boating accidents.  Why, just the other day, I was hauling up shrimp pots in my kayak when it overturned, dumping all my firearms into Puget Sound.  Truly a boating accident.

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Re: Two explosions close to the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
« Reply #528 on: April 27, 2013, 10:43:36 AM »
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Well, not to mention that the cops gratuitously riddled a boat with bullets  rolleyes

Yes, I'm highly disappointed about that.




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Re: Two explosions close to the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
« Reply #529 on: April 27, 2013, 11:00:23 AM »
Yes, I'm highly disappointed about that.




Because they didn't kill the *expletive deleted*er. When will marksmanship standards improve?





Well, I guess that they mostly proved that they can hit the broad side of a boat  :facepalm:


1. How did they know for sure that the person in the boat was the suspect?
2. Are police the judges and executioners now?
3. Where did all those bullets go?  Did some go through or past the boat?
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Re: Two explosions close to the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
« Reply #530 on: April 28, 2013, 12:27:13 PM »
Well, I guess that they mostly proved that they can hit the broad side of a boat  :facepalm:


1. How did they know for sure that the person in the boat was the suspect?
2. Are police the judges and executioners now?
3. Where did all those bullets go?  Did some go through or past the boat?



Fiberglass isn't exactly a bullet resistant material.....
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Re: Two explosions close to the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
« Reply #531 on: April 28, 2013, 01:17:05 PM »

Fiberglass isn't exactly a bullet resistant material.....

Or plywood, for that matter.

I guess it depends on the caliber.  Would a .223 just blow up hitting GRP or plywood topsides  ???

The gas tank might slow down the bullet a bit  ;/
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Re: Two explosions close to the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
« Reply #532 on: April 28, 2013, 03:05:28 PM »
Or plywood, for that matter.

I guess it depends on the caliber.  Would a .223 just blow up hitting GRP or plywood topsides  ???

The gas tank might slow down the bullet a bit  ;/

Depends on the bullet, I'd imagine. Lightweight Hornady TAP .223 might not make it through the boat, but I'd bet lots of other bullets would.

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Re: Two explosions close to the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
« Reply #533 on: April 28, 2013, 07:39:39 PM »
Depends on the bullet, I'd imagine. Lightweight Hornady TAP .223 might not make it through the boat, but I'd bet lots of other bullets would.

Googling found this:
http://how-i-did-it.org/drywall/results.html

55gr TAP penetrated multiple drywall walls, so I would venture that it would penetrate a normal boat hull, albeit as either one or two big chunks.

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Re: Two explosions close to the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
« Reply #534 on: April 28, 2013, 09:42:18 PM »
Googling found this:
http://how-i-did-it.org/drywall/results.html

55gr TAP penetrated multiple drywall walls, so I would venture that it would penetrate a normal boat hull, albeit as either one or two big chunks.

Boats aren't made of dry wall  =D

Anyway the question wasn't whether it would penetrate one side but whether it would penetrate both sides.  I haven't seen a picture of the starboard side of the boat (nor anything else downrange  :O ).

Of course, inboard engines, bronze fittings, and terrorists would tend to slow down or stop bullets even more than the topsides.
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Re: Two explosions close to the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
« Reply #535 on: April 28, 2013, 10:03:38 PM »
In my own tests with Black Hills FMJ, it penetrated 3 consecutive 8" cedar logs. I ran out of cedar logs after that. I would expect .223 FMJ to zip straight through a wood boat unless it hit a stringer or engine block or something.

However, Hornady V-max, loaded hot, doesn't even penetrate a cardboard box (the second side of the box looks like birdshot).
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Re: Two explosions close to the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
« Reply #537 on: April 29, 2013, 12:36:28 PM »
Boats aren't made of dry wall  =D

Anyway the question wasn't whether it would penetrate one side but whether it would penetrate both sides.  I haven't seen a picture of the starboard side of the boat (nor anything else downrange  :O ).

Of course, inboard engines, bronze fittings, and terrorists would tend to slow down or stop bullets even more than the topsides.


That's pretty much what I meant, though I wasn't clear in my OP. Wonder if the aforementioned TAP, or similar, rounds would go through-and-through? I'm leaning towards no, but have little to base that on in fact.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/theboxotruth.htm

Interesting - wonder if the testing page I'd seen in the past was deliberately shooting at the 2x4s in the "interior walls" they used for testing? Though it didn't look like it from the pics, frankly. They got much lower penetration than BoT, though it looks like BoT only used FMJ (which on the other site did in fact penetrate all three "interior walls" and keep on going - it was only the low-penetration TAP/frangible types that didn't punch through at least two full walls, IIRC). Looks like BoT #4 tested a .223 round generally similar to the ones I saw on that other page, which for BoT penetrated 4 walls' worth of drywall (8 sheets). <shrug> Looks lie similar penetration of walls to 00 Buck, and far more controllable by a small-framed individual; you have to aim either weapon (AR or shotgun) and you've got 30 shots from the AR versus a practical max of 8-9 even from an extended shotgun mag, so I'd still give the advantage to an AR, it's just not quite as safe to bystanders as I'd been led to believe.

It does look more like rounds that missed whatshisname in the boat probably had a good chance of going through-and-through, though.

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Re: Two explosions close to the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
« Reply #538 on: April 30, 2013, 12:32:12 AM »
Is anyone surprised at this?

Female DNA found on bomb components in Boston Marathon probe, source says

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/29/marathon-bombing-probe-female-dna/#ixzz2Ruy6dFce


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Female DNA was found on bomb components used in the attack this month on the Boston Marathon, a source familiar with the investigation confirmed to Fox News, though the source cautioned that it is too early to draw hard conclusions from that evidence.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/29/marathon-bombing-probe-female-dna/#ixzz2RuyCdMfj


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Re: Two explosions close to the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
« Reply #539 on: April 30, 2013, 12:47:21 AM »
Is anyone surprised at this?

Female DNA found on bomb components in Boston Marathon probe, source says

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/29/marathon-bombing-probe-female-dna/#ixzz2Ruy6dFce


Hmmmmm........


Um... it's a bomb.  When they go asplodey, they're SUPPOSED to intermingle with all sorts of DNA. :'(
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Re: Two explosions close to the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
« Reply #540 on: April 30, 2013, 05:19:33 AM »
Perhaps it wasn't part of the shrapnel or other explody bits?
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Re: Re: Two explosions close to the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
« Reply #541 on: April 30, 2013, 06:14:30 AM »
Dna has come a long way. They can use contact samples of a few cells.

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Re: Two explosions close to the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
« Reply #542 on: April 30, 2013, 07:59:16 AM »
Maybe Older Brother had a closer working relationship with his wife than earlier thought.......

.....that, or just transfer DNA from OB's clothing....
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Re: Two explosions close to the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
« Reply #543 on: April 30, 2013, 09:17:04 AM »
Didn't they use a pressure cooker as the bomb case?  Perhaps grandma left some DNA on there?
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Re: Two explosions close to the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
« Reply #544 on: May 01, 2013, 12:34:10 AM »
Lots of perfectly innocent, and nefarious, explanations for the XX being found.  Question will be whether it matches the wife, or the mom, or someone else.  Then the question will be how it got on the part it was found on.

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Re: Two explosions close to the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
« Reply #545 on: May 01, 2013, 10:18:05 AM »
Lots of perfectly innocent, and nefarious, explanations for the XX being found.  Question will be whether it matches the wife, or the mom, or someone else.  Then the question will be how it got on the part it was found on.

Hey, Tam - have you seen my pressure cooker?  I'm sure that I put it back on the shelf after I washed it.  =|
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Re: Two explosions close to the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
« Reply #546 on: May 01, 2013, 12:32:40 PM »
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/breaking-boston-police-three-boston-marathon-bombing-suspects-151027478.html

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Re: Two explosions close to the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
« Reply #547 on: May 01, 2013, 12:34:05 PM »
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/breaking-boston-police-three-boston-marathon-bombing-suspects-151027478.html

I smell a cell, intelligence failures, and an administration with it's head in the sand. 

I kind of figured that once they determined who the suspects were.
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Re: Two explosions close to the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
« Reply #548 on: May 01, 2013, 12:45:25 PM »
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the police department said there was no threat to public safety at this time.

Boston is totally crime free now  ???

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Re: Two explosions close to the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
« Reply #549 on: May 01, 2013, 04:20:11 PM »
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/breaking-boston-police-three-boston-marathon-bombing-suspects-151027478.html

I smell a cell, intelligence failures, and an administration with it's head in the sand. 

Funny how I haven't heard much MSM outrage over the failure to "connect the dots." Anyone else heard that yet?
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