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Neo-prohibitionists are at it again
« on: May 14, 2013, 11:43:42 AM »
NTSB is recommending lowering the drunk-driving threshhold to .05%:
http://www.kttc.com/story/22241869/progress-sought-on-drunken-driving-deaths

Most alcohol-related deaths are caused by drivers well-over the ancient .15% limit -- and often repeat offenders at that.  So the obvious answer is to criminalize the the ones who are *not* part of the problem.  That makes the statistics go up, justifying the existence of more regulation.
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Re: Neo-prohibitionists are at it again
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2013, 11:47:04 AM »
I just saw on the late night news recently some biatch talking about a .gov funded study she did on the costs of drinking. She concluded that alcohol needed to be taxed at the same rate cigarettes are. I almost kicked the tv off the stand.
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Re: Neo-prohibitionists are at it again
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2013, 01:01:47 PM »
I just saw on the late night news recently some biatch talking about a .gov funded study she did on the costs of drinking. She concluded that alcohol needed to be taxed at the same rate cigarettes are. I almost kicked the tv off the stand.

We need more revenue, to fund more studies.
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Re: Neo-prohibitionists are at it again
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2013, 01:04:22 PM »
Its for the children.
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Re: Neo-prohibitionists are at it again
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2013, 01:10:15 PM »
Its for the children.

Nearly half of all accidents are caused by people driving drunk.

Which means that more than half are cause by people driving sober.

So we need to make a crime to drive sober  :facepalm:
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Re: Neo-prohibitionists are at it again
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2013, 01:37:59 PM »
Nearly half of all accidents are caused by people driving drunk.

Which means that more than half are cause by people driving sober.

So we need to make a crime to drive sober  :facepalm:

Most every auto accident is caused by people who have imbibed saliva prior to the accident.  The answer is clear: outlaw saliva or make the imbibing of saliva illegal.
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Re: Neo-prohibitionists are at it again
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2013, 03:07:24 PM »
Every accident, every murder... every bad thing that happens in the world, is caused by someone or something that has come into contact with oxygen

If we ban oxygen, we fix EVERYTHING
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Re: Neo-prohibitionists are at it again
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2013, 03:14:20 PM »
Every accident, every murder... every bad thing that happens in the world, is caused by someone or something that has come into contact with oxygen

If we ban oxygen, we fix EVERYTHING

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Re: Neo-prohibitionists are at it again
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2013, 04:16:00 PM »

Why can't these Prohibitionists try to make a run at passing the Volstead Act again, or leave us all alone?

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Re: Neo-prohibitionists are at it again
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2013, 05:19:09 PM »
You all are obviously just a bunch of drunks who want to be able to drive while sloshed.  :angel:  :laugh:
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Re: Neo-prohibitionists are at it again
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2013, 09:05:55 PM »
I want to see objective evidence of wht BAC actually constitutes impairment that measurably degrades driving safety.  If that is .05 then so be it.  If that is .03 then go down to there.  If, as I suspect, it is more like .08 or higher then they need to *expletive deleted*ck off and leave well enough alone.

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Re: Neo-prohibitionists are at it again
« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2013, 11:13:49 PM »
Read the reports on drunk driving fatalities and injuries.

You don't see folks with BAC of .0anything. Pretty much every such report I've ever seen has had someone with a BAC of .1 or higher (and many, it seems, would be more properly stated as an ABC)

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Re: Neo-prohibitionists are at it again
« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2013, 08:23:18 AM »
MAOO
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Just call it a diatomic molecular chalcogen, and get people to sign a petition demanding government controls.
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Re: Neo-prohibitionists are at it again
« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2013, 09:31:02 AM »
Read the reports on drunk driving fatalities and injuries.

You don't see folks with BAC of .0anything. Pretty much every such report I've ever seen has had someone with a BAC of .1 or higher (and many, it seems, would be more properly stated as an ABC)



This...  I'd love to see a report on the # of accidents caused by people w/ a BAC between .05 and .08.  Because clearly if they say it would "save lives" then there must be some verifiable evidence of accidents happening in that range.  Because otherwise it'd be nothing but an attempt to increase revenues by fining people thousands of dollars for something that doesn't actually contribute to DUII accidents.......
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Re: Neo-prohibitionists are at it again
« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2013, 09:39:22 AM »
Even if there were such numbers it wouldn't be meaningful. Remember most accidents happen with a BAC of near zero, and that doesn't mean zero BAC is a contributing factor.

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Re: Neo-prohibitionists are at it again
« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2013, 10:38:33 AM »
To the tune of Werewolves Of London:  MAOOOOOOO!

The presumptive level of guilt for most of my driving is .04% (link.)  Originally, that law provided for a (job, maybe career threatening) 24 hour shut down for any detectable BAC and had problems landing on drivers who used too much aftershave or Lysoled the cab for stench control.  CDL drivers are also subject to random testing and post accident testing.  Come on guys!  Get with the program!

Gee, I'd love to see your data!

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Re: Neo-prohibitionists are at it again
« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2013, 10:44:01 AM »
This...  I'd love to see a report on the # of accidents caused by people w/ a BAC between .05 and .08.  Because clearly if they say it would "save lives" then there must be some verifiable evidence of accidents happening in that range.  Because otherwise it'd be nothing but an attempt to increase revenues by fining people thousands of dollars for something that doesn't actually contribute to DUII accidents.......

It wouldn't matter. Once those people have caused an accident, enforcement is meaningless.  No, the only way to figure out any effectiveness would be DUI accident numbers with and DUI accident numbers without enforcement. 
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Re: Neo-prohibitionists are at it again
« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2013, 11:23:19 AM »
I want to see objective evidence of wht BAC actually constitutes impairment that measurably degrades driving safety.  If that is .05 then so be it.  If that is .03 then go down to there.  If, as I suspect, it is more like .08 or higher then they need to *expletive deleted* off and leave well enough alone.

I would be willing to bet I am much, MUCH more dangerous driving my auto with two kids in the back than I would be driving at 0.08BAC with no one in the auto.  I would have to be completely blotto to be more distracted than when my kiddos are tired, hungry, cranky, and fighting.
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Re: Neo-prohibitionists are at it again
« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2013, 01:37:22 PM »
When she was recently arrested for DUI, Travis County District Attorney Rosemary Lehmberg had a blood alcohol level of 0.239, about three (3) times the current 0.08 limit. I don't see how lowering the legal limit to 0.05 would provide any material benefits.

Travis County includes Austin, TX and several suburban areas.

For a chuckle:  http://austin.ynn.com/content/top_stories/291541/da-lehmberg-guilty-of-dwi--begins-45-day-jail-sentence

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Re: Neo-prohibitionists are at it again
« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2013, 02:55:01 PM »
I would be willing to bet I am much, MUCH more dangerous driving my auto with two kids in the back than I would be driving at 0.08BAC with no one in the auto.  I would have to be completely blotto to be more distracted than when my kiddos are tired, hungry, cranky, and fighting.

i think a law allowing muzzling kids wives in cars would help
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Re: Neo-prohibitionists are at it again
« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2013, 03:01:31 PM »
Ah yes, another attempt at making asinine laws rather than dealing with the root cause of the problem.
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Re: Neo-prohibitionists are at it again
« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2013, 03:17:32 PM »
i think a law allowing muzzling kids wives in cars would help

A man can dream....   :angel:

Heck, even when my kids are behaving well, but are talking to me from the back seat, I am distracted.  Probably a couple beer's worth.
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« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2013, 03:19:53 PM »
A man can dream....   :angel:

Heck, even when my kids are behaving well, but are talking to me from the back seat, I am distracted.  Probably a couple beer's worth.

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Re: Neo-prohibitionists are at it again
« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2013, 03:39:40 PM »
This whole thing is for more tax money.  A DUI generates a whole lot a revenue to .gov and the lawyer's make money too.  They found .1 was good money maker, .08 was even better, how many more people can they nail with .05?

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« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2013, 03:54:26 PM »
way more than tax money . their are dui millionaire lawyers. as well as the whole support industry. breathalyzers etc.asap its a machine. heck madd pulls in cash and paid well

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