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Re: Re: Re: I miss Dubya
« Reply #25 on: June 10, 2013, 05:51:09 AM »
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act

I'm not going to say he bears no responsibility,  but look at the yeas and nays. A veto would NOT have prevented its enactment.

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Vetoing would have likely forced a debate on this - do you think all 98 of these people would have still be  voting for it after, say, a month's debate?
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Re: I miss Dubya
« Reply #26 on: June 10, 2013, 09:39:01 AM »
"I voted for it because everybody else voted for it" ?   ;/
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Re: I miss Dubya
« Reply #27 on: June 10, 2013, 09:44:57 AM »
Us missing "dubya" is like a domestic violence victim missing when he only hit us once, and only on weekends when he was drinking.
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Re: I miss Dubya
« Reply #28 on: June 10, 2013, 10:40:51 AM »
Us missing "dubya" is like a domestic violence victim missing when he only hit us once, and only on weekends when he was drinking.
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Re: I miss Dubya
« Reply #29 on: June 10, 2013, 11:10:59 AM »
It could have sunset, however:
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On Saturday, February 27, 2010, President Barack Obama signed into law legislation that would temporarily extend for one year, three controversial provisions of the Patriot Act that had been set to expire:[178] [179] [180]

    Authorize court-approved roving wiretaps that permit surveillance on multiple phones.
    Allow court-approved seizure of records and property in anti-terrorism operations.
    Permit surveillance against a so-called lone wolf, a non-U.S. citizen engaged in terrorism who may not be part of a recognized terrorist group.[181]

In a vote on February 8, 2011, the House of Representatives considered a further extension of the Act through the end of 2011.[182] House leadership moved the extension bill under suspension of the rules, which is intended for noncontroversial legislation and requires two-thirds majority to pass.[182] After the vote, the extension bill did not pass; 277 members voted in favor, which was less than the 290 votes needed to pass the bill under suspension of the rules.[182] Without an extension, the Act was set to expire on February 28, 2011. However, it eventually passed, 275-144.[183] The FISA Sunsets Extension Act of 2011 was signed into law February 25, 2011.

On May 26, 2011, President Barack Obama used an Autopen to sign the PATRIOT Sunsets Extension Act of 2011,[2] a four-year extension of three key provisions in the USA PATRIOT Act while he was in France:[3]roving wiretaps, searches of business records (the "library records provision"), and conducting surveillance of "lone wolves" — individuals suspected of terrorist-related activities not linked to terrorist groups.[4] Republican leaders[184] questioned if the use of the Autopen met the constitutional requirements for signing a bill into law.[185]

Had Mr. "No more illegal wiretaps", kept his word, we wouldn't have this.  Here's Senator Obama's speech:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAQlsS9diBs
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Re: I miss Dubya
« Reply #30 on: June 10, 2013, 12:14:31 PM »
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Re: I miss Dubya
« Reply #31 on: June 10, 2013, 12:22:01 PM »
Us missing "dubya" is like a domestic violence victim missing when he only hit us once, and only on weekends when he was drinking.
The way I see it, when you've been stuck in the fire for almost 5 years, the frying pan starts to look pretty good.
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Re: I miss Dubya
« Reply #32 on: June 10, 2013, 02:25:04 PM »
Us missing "dubya" is like a domestic violence victim missing when he only hit us once, and only on weekends when he was drinking.

Hey, didn't we learn upthread that he really does love us?  It is just the alcohol that makes him do that.  Besides, I am sure we can make him change...
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Re: I miss Dubya
« Reply #33 on: June 10, 2013, 02:46:14 PM »
Hey, didn't we learn upthread that he really does love us?  It is just the alcohol that makes him do that.  Besides, I am sure we can make him change...

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Re: I miss Dubya
« Reply #34 on: June 10, 2013, 08:16:43 PM »

Considering Obama is still blaming stuff on the Bush administration 5 years later, that second line is BS.
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Re: I miss Dubya
« Reply #35 on: June 10, 2013, 08:26:18 PM »
It could have sunset, however:
Had Mr. "No more illegal wiretaps", kept his word, we wouldn't have this.  Here's Senator Obama's speech:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAQlsS9diBs

This. 
While I didn't vote for Senator 1/3 of a term and voted present more than anything else.....
He did make some campaign promises that I wished so much he would have kept.
True transparency.  Lie.
Close gitmo.  Well, not really a lie so much as a he kind of tried and didn't' spend any political capital making it true.
No lobbyist appointments in the cabinet or as advisors.  Lie.
!After hemming and hawing about it forever), he approved a surge in Afghanistan...after promising to end the wars. 
No targeting of Americans.....lol funny *expletive deleted*it there, Mister President.
Wiretapping, etc etc.

He talked a good civil liberties game on the campaign trail.  In the end, he's just another version of his predecessor, except worse.
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Re: I miss Dubya
« Reply #36 on: June 10, 2013, 09:16:14 PM »
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he's just another version of his predecessor, except worse.

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Re: I miss Dubya
« Reply #37 on: June 10, 2013, 11:50:23 PM »

He talked a good civil liberties game on the campaign trail.  In the end, he's just another version of his predecessor, except worse.


More worse than you might imagine.  Way more worse.

Stay tuned for Trevor Loudon's new book.  My wife has been working as an editor on that book for the last two years or so.  It's full of some really dry material -- nearly six hundred pages of it -- and it's simultaneously one of the most depressing and angering compilations of villainy in our government I've seen in some time.

Big-O isn't just a "bad president," he credibly qualifies as a "Manchurian president" in many ways.

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Re: I miss Dubya
« Reply #38 on: June 11, 2013, 12:21:25 AM »
Big-O isn't just a "bad president," he credibly qualifies as a "Manchurian president" in many ways.


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Re: I miss Dubya
« Reply #39 on: June 11, 2013, 01:36:05 AM »
More worse than you might imagine.  Way more worse.

Stay tuned for Trevor Loudon's new book.  My wife has been working as an editor on that book for the last two years or so.  It's full of some really dry material -- nearly six hundred pages of it -- and it's simultaneously one of the most depressing and angering compilations of villainy in our government I've seen in some time.

Big-O isn't just a "bad president," he credibly qualifies as a "Manchurian president" in many ways.

Locks my jaw just to think of it.

Please start a thread on it when the book comes out, I'd love to read it.
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Re: I miss Dubya
« Reply #40 on: June 11, 2013, 06:23:08 PM »
No. Can't say I miss him...I miss the money my country used to have.

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Re: I miss Dubya
« Reply #41 on: June 11, 2013, 07:27:29 PM »
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No. Can't say I miss him...I miss the money my country used to have.

The money is still there. It's just changed hands a few times.

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Re: I miss Dubya
« Reply #42 on: June 12, 2013, 02:29:55 AM »
Only thing I miss about the Bush years is a press willing to hold a potus accountable. Of course you also had a bunch of R's supporting massive fed.gov expansion cause the policritters pushing it were R's as well so...
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Re: I miss Dubya
« Reply #43 on: June 12, 2013, 02:42:35 PM »
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Re: I miss Dubya
« Reply #44 on: June 12, 2013, 05:45:40 PM »
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