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Re: George Zimmerman Trial
« Reply #300 on: July 11, 2013, 11:13:55 PM »
Can a prosecutor LIE about testimony in his closing arguments?

The prosecutor told the jury that Zimmerman said to a witness the night of the incident that he'd KILLED someone. He said this was proof that Zimmerman lied when he later told an officer he didn't know Martin was dead.

The actual sworn, in-court testimony of the witness was that Zimmerman said he'd SHOT someone. (Greta on Fox showed clips of both the prosecutor's statement and the witness's sworn, in-court testimony.) This isn't a matter of opinion, this is a matter of FACT.

So . . . can a prosecutor LIE about evidence and sworn testimony in court and get away with it?

And can Zimmerman's defense team effectively use prosecutorial dishonesty to impeach the prosecutor's credibility in front of the jury?

IANAL, but it seems to me effective defense attorneys could use this to pretty thoroughly destroy the prosecution's credibility.
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Re: George Zimmerman Trial
« Reply #301 on: July 11, 2013, 11:22:23 PM »
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So . . . can a prosecutor LIE about evidence and sworn testimony in court and get away with it?

If the prosecutor and the judge are in cahoots, he can get away with anything.

Someone said the prosecution gets the final closing statement to the jury.  Are you sure about that?  How does that not violate the Confrontation Clause of the 6th Amendment?
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Re: George Zimmerman Trial
« Reply #302 on: July 12, 2013, 12:18:41 AM »
Apparently they are charging him with child abuse? After the trial?

What the effing effity eff??

EDIT: The State has brought it to the judge, it hasn't happened yet. She said she'll rule on it "later"

my previous remarks stand.

As noted, she ruled against it. (As is appropriate)

However, the DELAY in her ruling is suspicious, as if she took time to call around or consult (DOJ?) to see if there was any way she could rule in favor of it and have it stand.  [tinfoil]
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Re: George Zimmerman Trial
« Reply #303 on: July 12, 2013, 08:06:24 AM »
As noted, she ruled against it. (As is appropriate)

However, the DELAY in her ruling is suspicious, as if she took time to call around or consult (DOJ?) to see if there was any way she could rule in favor of it and have it stand.  [tinfoil]

^^^^^This.

She probably talked with a few appeals court judges who told her that they would overturn that conviction PDQ. She may end up throwing the prosecutor under the bus, but she won't take a chance of joining him there.
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« Reply #304 on: July 12, 2013, 09:02:27 AM »
^^^^^This.

She probably talked with a few appeals court judges who told her that they would overturn that conviction PDQ. She may end up throwing the prosecutor under the bus, but she won't take a chance of joining him there.
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Re: George Zimmerman Trial
« Reply #305 on: July 12, 2013, 09:50:55 AM »
An attorney has two options ifbthe other side lie during closing arguments.  You can object.  Or you wait yournturn and point thenlie out in your close.  Final option is to report the lie to the lawyer discipline office, as it is unethical.  Ask Nancy Grace.  I think it's one of the things she got tagged for.

Closing works like this...state goes first, defense goes, then the state gets rebuttal  opportunity.  It's not a 6th Amendment issue because it does not count as evidence.  It's summary of the evidence.
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Re: George Zimmerman Trial
« Reply #306 on: July 12, 2013, 10:22:43 AM »

Closing works like this...state goes first, defense goes, then the state gets rebuttal  opportunity.  It's not a 6th Amendment issue because it does not count as evidence.  It's summary of the evidence.

It is if the prosecutor presents new evidence to the jury (his lie) in the final statement.
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Re: George Zimmerman Trial
« Reply #308 on: July 12, 2013, 03:48:32 PM »
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Re: George Zimmerman Trial
« Reply #309 on: July 12, 2013, 07:42:02 PM »
Win or lose, I guess every time an Identity is killed by someone of a lesser identity, the case will now go before a grand jury, regardless of the actual circumstances.
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Re: George Zimmerman Trial
« Reply #310 on: July 12, 2013, 09:37:23 PM »
Glad the jury is still deliberating- made it home from work without being Reginald Denny'd.
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Re: Re: George Zimmerman Trial
« Reply #311 on: July 12, 2013, 10:42:33 PM »
I was hoping it would come back quickly to avoid giving the race baiters a weekend to prepare.

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Re: George Zimmerman Trial
« Reply #312 on: July 12, 2013, 11:17:44 PM »
Are Florida courts open on Saturday?  Some of them are here.

What is >.<?  Not familiar with that one.

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« Reply #313 on: July 12, 2013, 11:23:43 PM »
Are Florida courts open on Saturday?  Some of them are here.

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Re: George Zimmerman Trial
« Reply #314 on: July 12, 2013, 11:24:15 PM »
Deliberation will continue tomorrow. As I sit in Portsmouth, VA for the weekend...
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Re: George Zimmerman Trial
« Reply #315 on: July 13, 2013, 12:33:03 AM »
Ahhh, the CSI effect.   People watch too many cop shows (especially CSI:wherever) and think that SCIENCE!!! has the answers to every crime.

Well, it might, if you had scientists doing the initial investigation.

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Re: George Zimmerman Trial
« Reply #316 on: July 13, 2013, 01:07:12 AM »
Wonder if NBC will lighten her photos?

Funny you should mention that; comparing stills from CBS and CNN, it looks like CNN's color balance was off, making her lighter and a bit green.  Other shots of other people from CNN don't seem to have the same issue.


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Re: Re: Re: George Zimmerman Trial
« Reply #317 on: July 13, 2013, 08:23:21 AM »
Are Florida courts open on Saturday?  Some of them are here.

What is >.<?  Not familiar with that one.

I've always considered it as a wince.

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Re: George Zimmerman Trial
« Reply #318 on: July 13, 2013, 08:51:45 AM »
Are Florida courts open on Saturday?  Some of them are here.

What is >.<?  Not familiar with that one.
The judge seems to want this over asap, so the jury will be in today. Also Sunday if they don't get it done today as I understand it.
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Re: George Zimmerman Trial
« Reply #319 on: July 13, 2013, 11:26:47 AM »
Glad the jury is still deliberating- made it home from work without being Reginald Denny'd.

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Re: George Zimmerman Trial
« Reply #320 on: July 13, 2013, 07:26:35 PM »
The jurors are asking for a clarification on manslaughter. Sounds like the verdict might be "compromise" instead of guilty or innocent.
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Re: George Zimmerman Trial
« Reply #321 on: July 13, 2013, 08:06:11 PM »
edit: wrong thread.
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Re: George Zimmerman Trial
« Reply #322 on: July 13, 2013, 08:35:47 PM »
The jurors are asking for a clarification on manslaughter. Sounds like the verdict might be "compromise" instead of guilty or innocent.

Saw that elsewhere.... NOT looking good for GZ.

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Re: Re: George Zimmerman Trial
« Reply #323 on: July 13, 2013, 08:56:01 PM »
not so
 that means they are down to that. they have rejected greater charges

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Re: Re: George Zimmerman Trial
« Reply #324 on: July 13, 2013, 09:03:58 PM »
not so
 that means they are down to that. they have rejected greater charges

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