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Re: George Zimmerman Trial
« Reply #675 on: August 08, 2013, 10:54:05 AM »

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The bus driver, 64-year-old John Moody, can be heard frantically calling a radio dispatcher for help, although he was criticized in some quarters for not physically intervening.

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Pinellas County school policy does not require a driver to intervene and prosecutors have said Moody will not face charges, but Gulfport Police Chief Robert Vincent told WFLA that Moody should have stepped in.

"There was clearly an opportunity for him to intervene and or check on the welfare of the children or the child in this case, and he didn't make any effort to do so," Vincent said.



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/08/07/florida-school-bus-beatdown-goes-unnoticed-by-self-styled-civil-rights/?test=latestnews#ixzz2bODYBTCz

Well at least the bus driver wasn't a wannabe cop like Z ...  :P
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Re: George Zimmerman Trial
« Reply #676 on: August 08, 2013, 10:56:56 AM »

Well at least the bus driver wasn't a wannabe cop like Z ...  :P

And who can blame him? One of the reasons i posted that is because I wonder how many other people will now "walk away", when they would have otherwise helped pre-Zimmerman/Martin.
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Re: George Zimmerman Trial
« Reply #677 on: August 08, 2013, 11:05:47 AM »

And who can blame him? One of the reasons i posted that is because I wonder how many other people will now "walk away", when they would have otherwise helped pre-Zimmerman/Martin.

Even before Zimmerman, I'm quite certain the bus driver would be crucified were he to step in physically and stop the youths. (By this I mean even grabbing them by the arm and pulling them away.) The schools have made it clear that no one is to even TOUCH a "child".

His livelihood, at least, would be instantly gone. Likely the state or the families would sue him afterwards.
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Re: George Zimmerman Trial
« Reply #678 on: August 08, 2013, 11:07:17 AM »

The fact the little white snitch is still alive is proof of his white privilege.

The three victims that beat him up never stood a chance and are now being persecuted by the state.
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Re: George Zimmerman Trial
« Reply #679 on: August 08, 2013, 11:08:39 AM »

And who can blame him? One of the reasons i posted that is because I wonder how many other people will now "walk away", when they would have otherwise helped pre-Zimmerman/Martin.


I don't think I can buy that. In a lot of other cases, I would, but the bus driver is not some passerby. He's responsible for the well-being of the kids.

I'm not second-guessing him. I just don't think we can blame the followers exploiters of St. Trayvon the Innocent for what happened in a completely different sort of incident.
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Re: George Zimmerman Trial
« Reply #680 on: August 08, 2013, 11:23:36 AM »

64 year old man, on the verge of retirement against three 15 year old thugs...assuming these thugs are what I see around the courthouse, grown up bodies with 15 year old brains, the driver would have been lucky if he tried to intervene and didn't end up on the floor next to the victim.  For some reason, people equate "juvenile" with kid.  The Zimmerman case sure showed us that a young male is capable of fighting, violently and effectively.  I don't blame him much for calling for help instead of jumping in.
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Re: George Zimmerman Trial
« Reply #681 on: August 08, 2013, 12:01:45 PM »

Men in their mid to late teens have been doing hard labor and fighting in wars for all of recorded human history. The infantilizing of people into their late teens (early 20's/30's these days) is one of the worst things about Western society.
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« Reply #682 on: August 08, 2013, 12:04:43 PM »

I don't think I can buy that. In a lot of other cases, I would, but the bus driver is not some passerby. He's responsible for the well-being of the kids.

I think the morality and the ethics of people here are not the societal norm, especially in urban areas. Chris also makes a good point. With the age of the bus driver, unless he had at the very least something like pepper spray, he would have ended up in as bad of or worse shape than the kid that got beat up. Had he used pepper spray, I'm betting he would have been fired.

I agree that as a school bus driver he has a responsibility to the kids, but unless he's given (and allowed to use) the proper tools and training needed to protect them in a situation like this, his options are limited.
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Re: George Zimmerman Trial
« Reply #683 on: August 08, 2013, 12:10:39 PM »

With the age of the bus driver, unless he had at the very least something like pepper spray, he would have ended up in as bad of or worse shape than the kid that got beat up. Had he used pepper spray, I'm betting he would have been fired.
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Re: George Zimmerman Trial
« Reply #684 on: August 08, 2013, 01:21:34 PM »

If the driver - disarmed by policy AND probably the law - had intervened, he may well have been another victim.

Assuming he wasn't fired, but left on the job, either the perps or their homies would have targeted him, knowing his route, his schedule, and the fact that he was disarmed.

If Trayvons 1, 2, or 3 had an injury - real or imagined - civil suits against the driver would result. And the school district would fall over themselves throwing him under the bus - he'd be entirely on his own.

Being given "responsibility to the kids" is meaningless unless it includes both the authority and the means to exercise that responsibility. In the case of a school bus driver, that means safe driving. Period.

It's a sad commentary on our society, but I have a hard time faulting him when every likely consequence to his intervention would be negative.
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Re: George Zimmerman Trial
« Reply #685 on: August 08, 2013, 01:31:40 PM »

...It's a sad commentary on our society, but I have a hard time faulting him when every likely consequence to his intervention would be negative.


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Re: George Zimmerman Trial
« Reply #686 on: August 08, 2013, 01:59:25 PM »

64 year old man, on the verge of retirement against three 15 year old thugs...assuming these thugs are what I see around the courthouse, grown up bodies with 15 year old brains, the driver would have been lucky if he tried to intervene and didn't end up on the floor next to the victim.  For some reason, people equate "juvenile" with kid.  The Zimmerman case sure showed us that a young male is capable of fighting, violently and effectively.  I don't blame him much for calling for help instead of jumping in.

Men in their mid to late teens have been doing hard labor and fighting in wars for all of recorded human history. The infantilizing of people into their late teens (early 20's/30's these days) is one of the worst things about Western society.

All of this.  "Drummer boys" and "Powder Monkeys" and such were very young.  15YO sons of the aristocracy could get commissions as ensigns and serve on ships or in the Brit army.
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Re: George Zimmerman Trial
« Reply #687 on: August 08, 2013, 02:04:06 PM »

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Re: George Zimmerman Trial
« Reply #688 on: August 08, 2013, 02:24:14 PM »

I think the morality and the ethics of people here are not the societal norm, especially in urban areas. Chris also makes a good point. With the age of the bus driver, unless he had at the very least something like pepper spray, he would have ended up in as bad of or worse shape than the kid that got beat up. Had he used pepper spray, I'm betting he would have been fired.

I agree that as a school bus driver he has a responsibility to the kids, but unless he's given (and allowed to use) the proper tools and training needed to protect them in a situation like this, his options are limited.


Like I said, I'm not second-guessing his decision, unless he himself is saying that the Zimmerman case influenced his decision. I don't see the two situations as being all that similar.
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Re: George Zimmerman Trial
« Reply #689 on: August 08, 2013, 05:32:47 PM »

64 year old man, on the verge of retirement against three 15 year old thugs...assuming these thugs are what I see around the courthouse, grown up bodies with 15 year old brains, the driver would have been lucky if he tried to intervene and didn't end up on the floor next to the victim.  For some reason, people equate "juvenile" with kid.  The Zimmerman case sure showed us that a young male is capable of fighting, violently and effectively.  I don't blame him much for calling for help instead of jumping in.

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The job of a school bus driver is to drive the bus. He is NOT a security guard, and senior citizens and/or women (who make up the predominance of school bus drivers) should not and cannot be expected to be capable of intervening against even a single teen-age thug, let alone a small gang.

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Re: George Zimmerman Trial
« Reply #690 on: August 09, 2013, 06:43:33 AM »

And who can blame him? One of the reasons i posted that is because I wonder how many other people will now "walk away", when they would have otherwise helped pre-Zimmerman/Martin.
I think this is a good summation of the effect the trial had on people who might otherwise intervene

http://booksbikesboomsticks.blogspot.com/2013/07/and-media-has-delivered-lesson.html
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Re: George Zimmerman Trial
« Reply #691 on: August 11, 2013, 11:48:23 AM »

And the stupidity continues ...

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08/10/mural-of-george-zimmerman-shooting-trayvon-martin-unveiled-in-florida-state-capitol/

Mural supposedly depicts Zimmerman shooting Martin.  Problem: it bears no resemblance to what actually occurred.
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Re: George Zimmerman Trial
« Reply #692 on: August 11, 2013, 11:56:37 AM »

Poor headline. By definition, a "mural" is painted on a wall. This is a painting, not a mural. It's a poor paiting at that, and (as already noted) does not even attempt to depict the incident as it occurred.

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Re: George Zimmerman Trial
« Reply #693 on: August 11, 2013, 12:00:03 PM »

And the stupidity continues ...

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08/10/mural-of-george-zimmerman-shooting-trayvon-martin-unveiled-in-florida-state-capitol/

Mural supposedly depicts Zimmerman shooting Martin.  Problem: it bears no resemblance to what actually occurred.


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Re: George Zimmerman Trial
« Reply #694 on: August 11, 2013, 12:08:43 PM »

Nah, the painting is just sideways. Turn it so Z is on his back, and it almost makes sense.

Well, no, it's still totally wrong.
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Re: George Zimmerman Trial
« Reply #695 on: August 11, 2013, 12:23:25 PM »

And the stupidity continues ...

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08/10/mural-of-george-zimmerman-shooting-trayvon-martin-unveiled-in-florida-state-capitol/

Mural supposedly depicts Zimmerman shooting Martin.  Problem: it bears no resemblance to what actually occurred.


That is utterly reprehensible.
I wonder if Zimmerman has grounds to sue?   Probably not as he's almost really a public figure now.  But I think I'd sue ... or try.
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Re: George Zimmerman Trial
« Reply #696 on: August 11, 2013, 12:54:21 PM »

Poor headline. By definition, a "mural" is painted on a wall. This is a painting, not a mural. It's a poor paiting at that, and (as already noted) does not even attempt to depict the incident as it occurred.

So is that libel or slander?  I too lazy right now to Google the distinction.

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Georg Zimmerman, all in black, standing, in a half Weaver stance, shooting some hand cannon  with huge muzzle flash.  Yeah, thas' exactly what happen'.
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« Reply #697 on: August 23, 2013, 09:24:39 AM »

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Re: George Zimmerman Trial
« Reply #698 on: August 23, 2013, 09:55:36 AM »

Oh, God. Wait until the media sees that scary-looking gun.

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« Reply #699 on: August 23, 2013, 01:04:50 PM »

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