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Syria- The Great Big Syrian Civil War thread.
« on: August 26, 2013, 12:27:40 PM »
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/power-players-abc-news/gen-martin-dempsey-assad-momentum-syria-civil-war-105804508.html?vp=1

Dempsey says that Assad can't maintain this momentum.  I disagree.  The political lackeys and incompetents in the Army have either been killed or promoted out.  The Army is now more professional and becoming better trained.  (Yes we saw the Syrian Army's uphill-backwards MOUT operations.  ;/ ;))  But they are learning and pushing the FSA back.  Add in Russian (and other) support and logistics to replace/repair equipment train troops, throw in some selected chemical strikes and the Syrian Army forces the FSA to quit or get pushed into Iraq.   Remember the FSA is not a organized cohesive force.  Lots of tribal and ethnic differences and goals, and then you have the AQ a-holes with their own agenda.   Either way this is far from over.

And either way we need to STFO.

This is telling also:
Asked whether the United States is providing the Syrian rebels with military aid and weapons, Dempsey replied that the “the Department of Defense is not.”  Bolding, mine.

Which means that the CIA, State Dept (see Benghazi), hell, even DHS (via Whack-a-Doodle "Kill Whitey" guy), and the Dept of Commerce, could be shipping (or trans-shipping, see Iran-Contra) to Syria.

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Re: Syria- The great big Syrian civil war thread.
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2013, 12:59:12 PM »
Let the secular and non-secular savages kill each other in gross lots.  And let the secular savages ultimately prevail in a weakened state.
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Re: Syria- The great big Syrian civil war thread.
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2013, 01:11:47 PM »
The more effort they expend killing each other, the less time they have coming over here to gain their 72 virginians.

So, I fully support selling arms to both sides and airing live drone feeds on PPV.
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« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2013, 01:12:48 PM »
Quote from: Roo_ster on August 26, 2013, 12:59:12 PM
Let the secular and non-secular savages kill each other in gross lots.  And let the secular savages ultimately prevail in a weakened state.

This, plus: I'm tired of our enemies (and allies) publicly decrying U.S. intervention, while secretly wanting and expecting it. Let the UN, the Arab League, the EU, and whoever else wants to step into the ring, solve this "problem". We have trash in our own yard that needs cleaning up. We cannot, and should not, be the go to solution for every humanitarian crisis.
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« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2013, 01:31:53 PM »
In other conspiratorial news, a caller to the Michael Hart Radio Show today opined that the stuff happening in Syria is being staged by Russian Spetznaz in order to bring America into war with Russia.
Uh, that's World  War Three, guys.  According to the caller.  
I hope he's wrong.
'Cuz if it's Obama vs. Putin I ain't placin' my bets on anyone whose name begins with "O."
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« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2013, 01:49:13 PM »
Quote from: TommyGunn on August 26, 2013, 01:31:53 PM
In other conspiratorial news, a caller to the Michael Hart Radio Show today opined that the stuff happening in Syria is being staged by Russian Spetznaz in order to bring America into war with Russia.
Uh, that's World  War Three, guys.  According to the caller.  
I hope he's wrong.
'Cuz if it's Obama vs. Putin I ain't placin' my bets on anyone whose name begins with "O."


Uhm. I call tin foil. Please tell me this is not the Project Gutenberg Michael Hart, he always seemed like an intelligent person.

Russians will sell or give weapons to whomever they wish. Russia doesn't want a war with the US, and neither does the US. Even back during the Cold War, both sides went to great pains to annoy the other via proxies. That is very likely. Russian forces managing to keep themselves incognito? Unlikely, that.
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« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2013, 01:52:52 PM »
Quote from: RevDisk on August 26, 2013, 01:49:13 PM
Uhm. I call tin foil. Please tell me this is not the Project Gutenberg Michael Hart, he always seemed like an intelligent person.

Russians will sell or give weapons to whomever they wish. Russia doesn't want a war with the US, and neither does the US. Even back during the Cold War, both sides went to great pains to annoy the other via proxies. That is very likely. Russian forces managing to keep themselves incognito? Unlikely, that.

Agreed. Selling Assad weapons and tacitly backstopping him in the Security Council seems to accomplish everything Putin wants. No need for more.
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« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2013, 01:57:06 PM »
Quote from: RevDisk on August 26, 2013, 01:49:13 PM
Uhm. I call tin foil. Please tell me this is not the Project Gutenberg Michael Hart, he always seemed like an intelligent person.

Russians will sell or give weapons to whomever they wish. Russia doesn't want a war with the US, and neither does the US. Even back during the Cold War, both sides went to great pains to annoy the other via proxies. That is very likely. Russian forces managing to keep themselves incognito? Unlikely, that.

I'm not sure who you mean by "Project Gutenberg Michael Hart."   The Michael Hart I am refering to runs a radio talk show from Birmingham, Alabama from 10:06AM through 1:00PM weekdays.  I don't listen to the entire program; he used to be on at 6:00AM and I listened to him a lot more back then but I never heard him mention anything about Gutenberg.
As to the story about Russia being behind Syria, you understand I wasn't endorsing the "conspiracy theory," I was only reporting it.  I hope it isn't true.  I suspect Spetznaz probably are sufficiently competent to keep themselves  covert atleast until American forces are there to pull back the covers.  My reason for disbelieving the story is Russia is in a worse economic condition than we are, and have been there longer.  I highly doubt they are in any way ready for or want a Third World War.
I was merely reporting what I'd heard for entertainment value.
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« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2013, 02:45:21 PM »
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Russia doesn't want a war with the US, and neither does the US.

I dunno ... sometimes it does seem as if the US is at war with itself ...  =|
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« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2013, 03:31:52 PM »
Why would the Russians want a war with us, when they already have the White House, half of Congress, and a solid grip on many Federal agencies?  ???
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« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2013, 04:51:23 PM »
is it bad when john kerry says its "when not if" we intervene :facepalm: :facepalm:
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« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2013, 04:55:23 PM »
Russians don't want a war with us.  Bad for Business. Selling Assad enough weapons to keep the fighting going.  That's good for business.  A long slow "win" is their best interest.   "See look at Syria, used Russian made weapons and won the Civil War over those that had American supplied weapons*.  Clearly our stuff is better, nyet?"


* not mentioning that "American Supplied Weapons" were Soviet stuff from Libya among others.
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« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2013, 05:10:26 PM »
This is all a smokescreen to distract the US news cycle and population away from NSA, Snowden, Obamacare, Amnesty and the other issues making government unpopular right now.



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« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2013, 05:39:58 PM »
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Even back during the Cold War, both sides went to great pains to annoy the other via proxies.

Mostly...
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« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2013, 06:22:55 PM »
Obama worries me.   I am afraid the incompetent jackass know-it-all is going to inadvertently push the wrong button so to speak.-and start WWIII.  Syria is nothing to us. But it is a Big Damn Deal to the Russians.
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« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2013, 06:33:36 PM »
John *expletive deleted*ing Kerry (he has 3 purple hearts ya know) is really ramping up the rhetoric and beating the war drums.
My money is that Obama is just arrogant enough to at least launch missle strikes.

I hope I'm wrong.
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« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2013, 07:39:04 PM »
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« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2013, 07:48:46 PM »
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This is all a smokescreen to distract the US news cycle and population away from NSA, Snowden, Obamacare, Amnesty and the other issues making government unpopular right now.

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« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2013, 08:59:54 PM »
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« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2013, 10:20:38 PM »
If we were to have a civil war here, would we want other countries to intervene?  I wouldn't.  At least no more involvement than regular commerce, buying and selling whatever.

I feel the same about Syria.  It's their war, not ours.  Let them fight it out themselves.  If it works out to be good for us, great.  If not, cross that bridge when it arrives.
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« Reply #20 on: August 27, 2013, 12:05:35 AM »
We shouldn't rush into this.  We need at least 17 or 18 UN resolutions (along with UN and international support and backing), and several years of debate in the Congress before voting to be for the war, and then to vote against it.
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« Reply #21 on: August 27, 2013, 01:13:32 AM »
Quote from: Cliffh on August 26, 2013, 10:20:38 PM
If we were to have a civil war here, would we want other countries to intervene?  I wouldn't.  At least no more involvement than regular commerce, buying and selling whatever.

I feel the same about Syria.  It's their war, not ours.  Let them fight it out themselves.  If it works out to be good for us, great.  If not, cross that bridge when it arrives.

Seems to me that around 1776 (or so) certain colonial revolutionaries were moderately happy to have some assistance from the French ... and the Poles ... and ...
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« Reply #22 on: August 27, 2013, 11:15:28 AM »
I wouldn't want other countries intervening here either, but largely only for the reason that just about every country that would intervene would support the "other" side.
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« Reply #23 on: August 27, 2013, 11:36:22 AM »

Has anyone proven that the Syrian government actually did use chemical weapons?
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« Reply #24 on: August 27, 2013, 01:15:42 PM »
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Has anyone proven that the Syrian government actually did use chemical weapons?

What difference, at this point, does it make?
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