Shooting at the DC Navy Yard - 12 shot, 4 of them dead

[T.O.M.]

Nooz is reporting AR15 and handgun of some sort.

This whole thing is odd.  How many black mass shooting perpetrators have there been in the last couple decades?  Probably count that on one hand.  Doesn't fit the bill. 

News I saw said he had a shotgun, took the handgun of the guard, then may have taken additional weapons as we went.

[slingshot]

I just want to know where Gibbs was?

[MillCreek]

Has the media found a way to blame it on white, conservative right wingers yet?

Be more worried about being lumped in with military veterans with 'issues' and access to guns.

[Levant]

If Obama had a son?



http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/09/aaron-alexis-navy-yard-shooter.html

I'm not surprised you beat me to it.  It had to come up.

[Levant]

News I saw said he had a shotgun, took the handgun of the guard, then may have taken additional weapons as we went.

Fox News said he had an "AR-15 Shotgun".  I'm sure he had an AR-15 something even if it was AR-15 shoelaces. 

[Hawkmoon]

Fox News said he had an "AR-15 Shotgun".  I'm sure he had an AR-15 something even if it was AR-15 shoelaces. 

Possible ...



http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/ar-15-style-shotgun-raac-akdal-mka-1919/

[Perd Hapley]

We should have listened to Sarah Silverman when she told us not to give guns to black men.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/09/robert-farago/sarah-silverman-never-truer-word-spoken-jest/

[Ben]

I saw this on Calguns but have not yet been able to confirm it. Story, with quotes from NBC, says he started with a shotgun he purchased several weeks before, and got the pistol and AR on base.

http://bearingarms.com/nbc-washington-navy-yard-shooting-suspect-took-assault-rifle-pistol-from-cops-he-ambushed/

[Gowen]

I saw this on Calguns but have not yet been able to confirm it. Story, with quotes from NBC, says he started with a shotgun he purchased several weeks before, and got the pistol and AR on base.

http://bearingarms.com/nbc-washington-navy-yard-shooting-suspect-took-assault-rifle-pistol-from-cops-he-ambushed/

He was just using a shotgun like biden said to use.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

I saw this on Calguns but have not yet been able to confirm it. Story, with quotes from NBC, says he started with a shotgun he purchased several weeks before, and got the pistol and AR on base.

http://bearingarms.com/nbc-washington-navy-yard-shooting-suspect-took-assault-rifle-pistol-from-cops-he-ambushed/

That was reported in wapo as well

damn phone

[Fitz]

WUSA reporting he may have been a 9/11 first responder with PTSD

[geronimotwo]

now they are speculating that there was no rifle.  he started with a shotgun, and stole 2 pistols.  (no story here,  move along.....)

[RoadKingLarry]

At least they were able to rule out any kind of terrorism in less than an hour.

[Perd Hapley]

Yesterday reminded me of 14 December, last year. In that I had to switch off the talk radio, to avoid all the pointless speculation from people with no solid facts. 

[HankB]

Saw a survivor of the shooting being interviewed - he said that he could carry a gun, but MILITARY REGULATIONS ON BASE HAD DISARMED HIM. Didn't see the entire interview, but enough to see him assert that he could have stopped the perp sooner, but was unable to because he'd been disarmed. (Sounds a lot like Suzanna Hupp's experience with the Luby's mass shooting some years back.)

[zxcvbob]

Saw a survivor of the shooting being interviewed - he said that he could carry a gun, but MILITARY REGULATIONS ON BASE HAD DISARMED HIM. Didn't see the entire interview, but enough to see him assert that he could have stopped the perp sooner, but was unable to because he'd been disarmed. (Sounds a lot like Suzanna Hupp's experience with the Luby's mass shooting some years back.)

That interview will get buried quick.

[geronimotwo]

Saw a survivor of the shooting being interviewed - he said that he could carry a gun, but MILITARY REGULATIONS ON BASE HAD DISARMED HIM. Didn't see the entire interview, but enough to see him assert that he could have stopped the perp sooner, but was unable to because he'd been disarmed. (Sounds a lot like Suzanna Hupp's experience with the Luby's mass shooting some years back.)

where did you see this?  is there a name/link available?

[fifth_column]

It's possible he didn't use a rifle at all.  From CNN.COM:

Authorities have recovered three weapons from the scene of the mass shooting, including a shotgun that investigators believe Alexis brought into the compound, federal law enforcement sources with detailed knowledge of the investigation told CNN on Tuesday. The other two weapons -- handguns -- may have been taken from guards, the sources say.

Earlier information that Alexis may have used a semiautomatic AR-15 rifle may have been incorrect, the sources said.

Investigators believe Alexis rented an AR-15 but had returned it before Monday's shootings, the sources said. Authorities are still investigating how many weapons Aaron had access to, the sources said.

[AJ Dual]

Wrong race, wrong weapon(s).

News cycle peters out on this in 2-3 days tops.

[Balog]

Wrong race, wrong weapon(s).

News cycle peters out on this in 2-3 days tops.

Yup.

Any word on if there were multiple shooters, or was that a misreport in the initial rush to be wrong first?

[AJ Dual]

Yup.

Any word on if there were multiple shooters, or was that a misreport in the initial rush to be wrong first?

I don't think it was a misreport. More a matter of 1/2 the various alphabet soup agencies being thorough based on initial confused witness reports, and 1/2 just typical bureaucratic CYA in the .0001% chance there was a second shooter, they dismissed it, and he popped up again and did more damage etc. So "officially
 

I can be sympathetic for being a bit on the "better safe than sorry"-side of things in these instances. If there ever were multiple shooters who got ignored/dismissed the various LEA's would have their asses in slings, both officially and in the MSM.

[Perd Hapley]

He rented an AR, but returned it? Am I just way out of the loop here? Are there places renting guns outside the confines of a shooting range?

[AJ Dual]

He rented an AR, but returned it? Am I just way out of the loop here? Are there places renting guns outside the confines of a shooting range?

Probably typical MSM confusion/ignorance.

I'm guessing he bought an AR, had buyer's remorse for whatever reasons, then sold it back to the shop at a loss etc.

[mtnbkr]

There is nowhere in this area that I'm aware of that would rent an AR.  The nearest place I can think of that rents guns at all is Blue Ridge in Chantilly, and I don't think they rent anything but handguns.  Plus, you're not supposed to leave the range with the weapon.

Not sure about DC or MD though.

Chris

[Scout26]

And now we're slamming the barn door after all the animals have gotten out.

http://www2.smartbrief.com/servlet/encodeServlet?issueid=97B312C4-747C-460F-A80A-83105B034053&sid=2d4a7936-cbbd-4363-9633-6433befc450c


And yes wrong race, wrong gun (A Biden Special).  Only way this gets used is the "PTSD" angle.  Dude was an electronics tech in the Navy.  Not a trigger puller, but pretty much the Navy's version of Geek Squad.  

Background will be interesting.   I heard a Doc at one of the hospitals yesterday quoted as saying "These wounds are consistent with the use of automatic rifle."  Really, *BBBZZZZZTTTTT*  WRONG!!!   Go turn in your stethoscope and find a new line of work.


And I never heard of a range that will either rent or loan guns that let you take them off premise.  But gunnies have been known to do really stupid things.  

Also keep in mind that reporters have 1) No farking clue about guns, 2) No idea what happened during this event, 3) No clue whatsoever about anything.