Trouble in Ukraine

[AZRedhawk44]

Background on the protestors and what has been going on in Ukraine for months.

http://www.businessinsider.com/understanding-euromaidan-2014-1

[lee n. field]

http://merera.livejournal.com/295325.html

Police are firing experimental solid brass turned projectile 12ga slugs at the crowd.  These are extremely unique door breaching rounds that are made by only 1 company and directly affiliated with Kiev law enforcement.

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj126/merera/livejournal/blondo_collage.jpg

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj126/merera/livejournal/blondeau_d3_1390483255-4756127cf7444e71b405d14c71db9002_600.jpg

That'll do it.

[lee n. field]

Background on the protestors and what has been going on in Ukraine for months.

http://www.businessinsider.com/understanding-euromaidan-2014-1

Interesting.  I'll want to read that over closely later.  lessons to be learned.

[RevDisk]

http://merera.livejournal.com/295325.html

Police are firing experimental solid brass turned projectile 12ga slugs at the crowd.  These are extremely unique door breaching rounds that are made by only 1 company and directly affiliated with Kiev law enforcement.

Likely a mistake. Door breacher rounds ain't cheap or plentiful. I'd bet money on the a cop loading the wrong ammo.

Tin foil version, zOMG, false flag ninja totally replaced less lethal rounds in cop locker with more lethal rounds to starts revolution, TOTALLY making it SEEM like law enforcement slipup!  9/11 is a lie! Long form birth certificate! Awaken, sheeple!

[Blakenzy]

What is there to explain? I think that some cops just really, really want to hurt protestors and have taken it upon themselves to use any available "things" that will break skin.

It might be easier to procure these than 00 buck from the ammo storage room. Maybe filed under "specialty rounds" just like rubber bullets might.

[230RN]

Time for the Cossacks to mount up?

[Balog]

Lots of great pictures here. http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?234849-Uprising-in-Ukraine-(Photos-and-Videos)

[SADShooter]

The quality of that photography is amazing.

I was struck by something else. Does Ukraine have a National Service system? A lot of the protesters, the younger males, anyway, seem to carry themselves as if they have military training.

[roo_ster]

Observations:

1. Not just the callow youths in the opposition shield wall.  I saw some frosty old bastards and plenty of middle-aged men.

2. Looks like the Army / military is sitting it out.  Were they not, the opposition's guts would be greasing tank treads.

3. Opposition needs to get its head out of its ass and make a power-sharing arrangement/alliance.  They can not sustain pressure the way gov't bureaucrats who are getting paid to bust heads can.

[tokugawa]

Background on the protestors and what has been going on in Ukraine for months.

http://www.businessinsider.com/understanding-euromaidan-2014-1

 read this and look for similarities to the US- it is uncanny.

[Nick1911]

read this and look for similarities to the US- it is uncanny.

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought that.

Take the time to mash the link, it's a good/scary read.

[AZRedhawk44]

...And drudge FINALLY links to a story on this.

http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-protesters-create-39-fortress-39-resist-feared-200947661.html;_ylt=A2KJ3CWD0OJSz2MAkUvQtDMD

[charby]

Weaponizing estes rockets:

Its a big bottle rocket.

http://www.fireworks.com/products/item/display-shell-rockets-o-123/

[French G.]

-D motor, duct tape, and a hunting arrow get you about 400 yards downrange when launched from a piece of angle. My misspent youth.

[Scout26]

http://merera.livejournal.com/295325.html

Police are firing experimental solid brass turned projectile 12ga slugs at the crowd.  These are extremely unique door breaching rounds that are made by only 1 company and directly affiliated with Kiev law enforcement.

Ummm, B&P is an Italian company that makes high end target loads for shotguns. 

I think I'll go with RevDisk on this.

[fifth_column]

The quality of that photography is amazing.

I was struck by something else. Does Ukraine have a National Service system? A lot of the protesters, the younger males, anyway, seem to carry themselves as if they have military training.

Obviously the riot police are definitely highly trained and disciplined:

[Scout26]

Looks like Skunk, the "Light 'em on fire" cop from The Message.

[Gewehr98]

I saw him in Spaceballs!

[lee n. field]

Seen a lot of shots of priests working both sides of the line, I suppose they're Eastern Orthodox? Don't know enough to tell from the vestments. Pretty darn brave.



Propaganda video, some excellent footage although the jump cuts are annoying. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xZUzfzTLD4U

According to http://issuesetc.org/2014/01/27/2-media-coverage-of-the-ukrainian-protests-george-conger-12714/, there are two Orthodox Churches in Ukraine.  There's a Ukrainain based nationalist one, and there's on that follows the Moscow Patriarch.   Stalin killed a lot of priests, and burned the Ukrainian cathedral, and mashed what was left together.  Fast forward a bunch of decades.  Once the commie regime went away they split apart again.   Which one you like depends on who you are.  This is why you see priests on both sides.

Spelling errors due to overcaffeination.

[AJ Dual]

Likely a mistake. Door breacher rounds ain't cheap or plentiful. I'd bet money on the a cop loading the wrong ammo.

Tin foil version, zOMG, false flag ninja totally replaced less lethal rounds in cop locker with more lethal rounds to starts revolution, TOTALLY making it SEEM like law enforcement slipup!  9/11 is a lie! Long form birth certificate! Awaken, sheeple!

Or possibility #3, the .gov and police chain of command locked up the ammunition leaving only the less-lethals, but because they're not "anti-personnel" the door breachers were overlooked and not rounded up. So in the same vein as the National Guardsman in American riots who are sent into what is potentially harms way without ammunition keeping a few spare live rounds in a uniform shirt pocket, the police had a few of these with them.

Then... instead of being in danger, they percieve they're in danger, or they just get pissed off enough..

[AZRedhawk44]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW1WDbDX7wE&feature=youtu.be

Very interesting at 1:55.

Sounds like the US is attempting to manipulate the Ukraine situation.  They're supporting the rioters.

[AJ Dual]

At the risk of additional thread-drift... Jen Psaki is rather hawt.

[Hutch]

At the risk of additional thread-drift... Jen Psaki is rather hawt.

Uh... No.  Might be very good at her job, but does not seem to be visually attractive.  At all.

[lee n. field]

At the risk of additional thread-drift... Jen Psaki is rather hawt.

To each his own.   

[charby]

At the risk of additional thread-drift... Jen Psaki is rather hawt.

She looks like a scared rabbit.