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Snowden is nominated for Nobel Peace Prize
« on: January 30, 2014, 10:00:05 AM »
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/nsa-whistleblower-edward-snowden-nominated-for-nobel-peace-prize-9093215.html

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Mr Snowden has been nominated by two Norwegian MPs for the Nobel Peace Prize, a gong the President himself won in 2009.
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Re: Snowden is nominated for Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2014, 10:25:17 AM »
good for him.   question, how many nobel peace prize winners were unable to collect the prize because they couldn't come out of hiding?
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Re: Snowden is nominated for Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2014, 10:26:09 AM »

He deserves it.
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Re: Snowden is nominated for Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2014, 10:30:41 AM »
I'm not sure if Snowden meets the criteria for the Nobel (the theoretical criteria, not what the Nobel has become). Yet the irony of him being awarded the Nobel, just as Obama was, would be sweet indeed.
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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2014, 10:45:19 AM »
The more his leaks reveal, the more I'm ok with him in general
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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2014, 10:51:37 AM »
The more his leaks reveal, the more I'm ok with him in general

That's been how I feel as well. At first I wasn't sure, in fact probably tending against, but the more stuff that leaks out, the wider my eyes are opening.
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Re: Snowden is nominated for Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2014, 10:58:50 AM »
My estimation of Snowden has grown over time, but not to NPP level.  This is just another means for lefty eurotrash to take a shot at America.  So, screw the lutefisk-chomper and the prancing pony of preening self-regard he rode in on.

On the "Whistleblower to Traitor" meter I see the needle nearly pegged at "Whistleblower" for Snowden.  If Congress had any regard for the Constitution, they would issue him blanket immunity and get him to testify in the open about all he knows.
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Re: Snowden is nominated for Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2014, 11:09:52 AM »
After Snowden wins, maybe there can be a meeting of recent winners. I'd love to see Snowden and Obama shaking hands.  =D
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Re: Snowden is nominated for Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2014, 11:18:17 AM »
The more his leaks reveal, the more I'm ok with him in general


And intelligence people claim he's done an extraordinary amount of damage to our national security.
Snowdon a hero?  No.  He should have gone to congress.  Or if he really had to spill the beans he should have done it and taken the consequences as a man, not run off to China & Russia.
A late report I heard indicates he may have had help because they think he didn't have the expertise to do everything he did.  If true does that change anyone's mind?
Granted we are entering a era when our own government is becoming an increasing danger to our liberties, but we ought not lose sight of the fact that we still have real enemies in this world as well.
It seems there are two opposing .... "concerns" that clash.  I don't know where the best "balancing point" between security & freedom is, quotes from Ben Franklin notwithstanding ..... but what Snowdon did is more hurtful to our whole cause than helpful, and he is nothing more than a narcissistic little weasel.
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Re: Snowden is nominated for Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2014, 11:31:50 AM »
Let's see...

- Go to Congress with evidence that the government is abusing laws that congress passed.
- The same congress that can't/won't do anything about the numerous other violations by government.
- Then, stick around to stand up for what is right.
- ?
- Profit by not getting killed by FBI/CIA/NSA/Obama's personal drone.
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Re: Snowden is nominated for Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2014, 11:38:09 AM »
Let's see...

- Go to Congress with evidence that the government is abusing laws that congress passed.
- The same congress that can't/won't do anything about the numerous other violations by government.
- Then, stick around to stand up for what is right.
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- Profit by not getting killed by FBI/CIA/NSA/Obama's personal drone.

- release more secrets making it even easier for Al Qaeda to counter our security forces.  Given that they're already spreading over N. Africa and the mideast, it's not as if their threat is diminishing.
OTOH given the way we've been prosecuting this @ssh@t war we  might as well just throw in the towel and let radical Islam take what it will....the end result won't be much different.


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Re: Snowden is nominated for Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2014, 11:56:20 AM »
what Snowdon did is more hurtful to our whole cause than helpful, and he is nothing more than a narcissistic little weasel.

Far less so, on all counts, than our last winner.

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Re: Snowden is nominated for Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2014, 12:39:51 PM »
You know what, I'll just say it. I actually don't care that Snowden has made things a little easier for Al Queda. At some point we have to draw the line on when freedom is more important than safety. Freedom IS more important than safety. Freedom is also dangerous.

If you want to live in a free society, you have to recognize that you won't always be safe, and that in fact, your freedom may just kill you. If you want to be safe, live in a Big Brother dictatorship where you are monitored 24 hours a day. You'll be safe and provided for. I completely recognize the importance of international intelligence gathering. At some point though, we have to draw the line when intelligence gathering "for the safety of US citizens" has taken one step too far into freedom curtailment. For that matter, as a society that believes in the human right to freedom, we should also recognize when to draw the line when our umbrella approach to intelligence gathering overly infringes on innocent non-US citizens.
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Re: Snowden is nominated for Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2014, 12:40:33 PM »

And intelligence people claim he's done an extraordinary amount of damage to our national security.
Snowdon a hero?  No.  He should have gone to congress.  Or if he really had to spill the beans he should have done it and taken the consequences as a man, not run off to China & Russia.
A late report I heard indicates he may have had help because they think he didn't have the expertise to do everything he did.  If true does that change anyone's mind?
Granted we are entering a era when our own government is becoming an increasing danger to our liberties, but we ought not lose sight of the fact that we still have real enemies in this world as well.
It seems there are two opposing .... "concerns" that clash.  I don't know where the best "balancing point" between security & freedom is, quotes from Ben Franklin notwithstanding ..... but what Snowdon did is more hurtful to our whole cause than helpful, and he is nothing more than a narcissistic little weasel.

You joking bro?

You think going to congress would have made a damn bit of difference?
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Re: Snowden is nominated for Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2014, 12:41:42 PM »
- release more secrets making it even easier for Al Qaeda to counter our security forces.  Given that they're already spreading over N. Africa and the mideast, it's not as if their threat is diminishing.
OTOH given the way we've been prosecuting this @ssh@t war we  might as well just throw in the towel and let radical Islam take what it will....the end result won't be much different.


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What has he released that has helped al-qaeda counter us?

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Re: Snowden is nominated for Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2014, 12:55:15 PM »
You know what, I'll just say it. I actually don't care that Snowden has made things a little easier for Al Queda. At some point we have to draw the line on when freedom is more important than safety. Freedom IS more important than safety. Freedom is also dangerous.
Totally agree.

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Re: Snowden is nominated for Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2014, 01:20:09 PM »
I actually don't care that Snowden has made things a little easier for Al Queda. At some point we have to draw the line on when freedom is more important than safety. Freedom IS more important than safety. Freedom is also dangerous.

If you want to live in a free society, you have to recognize that you won't always be safe, and that in fact, your freedom may just kill you. If you want to be safe, live in a Big Brother dictatorship where you are monitored 24 hours a day. You'll be safe and provided for.
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Re: Snowden is nominated for Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2014, 01:28:40 PM »
You think going to congress would have made a damn bit of difference?

Well, they did fix everything up with Fast and Furious...no wait.
They've dealt with the screwups from Benghazi...crap, yeah, I got nothin'.

If you want to be safe, live in a Big Brother dictatorship where you are monitored 24 hours a day. You'll be safe and provided for.

Because maximum security prisons are such safe places.

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« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2014, 01:47:57 PM »

Because maximum security prisons are such safe places.

Did I say prison anywhere? Not that someone never allowed out of solitary unescorted wouldn't be relatively safer compared to the "more free" general population.
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Re: Snowden is nominated for Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2014, 02:12:04 PM »
You joking bro?

You think going to congress would have made a damn bit of difference?


Believe it or not, as utterly incredible as it is for you (and maybe some others here) to believe, yes I do.
If you don't believe that our vaunted congress cares about errant intelligence agencies then please 'splain the Church Commitee and why the &&*^$$%%%$$ they hobbled the CIA to me.
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Re: Snowden is nominated for Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2014, 02:17:39 PM »
Believe it or not, as utterly incredible as it is for you (and maybe some others here) to believe, yes I do.
If you don't believe that our vaunted congress cares about errant intelligence agencies then please 'splain the Church Commitee and why the &&*^$$%%%$$ they hobbled the CIA to me.
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Ok. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Committee

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Re: Snowden is nominated for Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2014, 02:21:18 PM »
If you don't believe that our vaunted congress cares about errant intelligence agencies then please 'splain the Church Commitee and why the &&*^$$%%%$$ they hobbled the CIA to me.
The mid 70's were a long time ago, friend. Frank Church himself died over 30 years ago.  I don't think anyone was saying that there never existed a congress that would try to do something about the NSA, just that our current congress wouldn't touch it unless forced by public opinion.

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Re: Snowden is nominated for Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2014, 02:24:12 PM »
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If you want to be safe, live in a Big Brother dictatorship where you are monitored 24 hours a day. You'll be safe and provided for.

Yeah, right  ;/

Big Brother is way more likely to kill us than AQ.
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Re: Snowden is nominated for Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2014, 02:38:56 PM »
You know what, I'll just say it. I actually don't care that Snowden has made things a little easier for Al Queda. At some point we have to draw the line on when freedom is more important than safety. Freedom IS more important than safety. Freedom is also dangerous.

If you want to live in a free society, you have to recognize that you won't always be safe, and that in fact, your freedom may just kill you. If you want to be safe, live in a Big Brother dictatorship where you are monitored 24 hours a day. You'll be safe and provided for. I completely recognize the importance of international intelligence gathering. At some point though, we have to draw the line when intelligence gathering "for the safety of US citizens" has taken one step too far into freedom curtailment. For that matter, as a society that believes in the human right to freedom, we should also recognize when to draw the line when our umbrella approach to intelligence gathering overly infringes on innocent non-US citizens.

I largely agree save for two things:

1.) One of the Constitutionally ordained duties of the government is to protect the country.
2.) The ever-present bug-up-the-butt*** drive many democrats such as Chuckie Schumer and Diane Feinstein have to disarm Americans.   500 years ago Machiavelli told his would be prince that "new princes when they come to power and discover their people have been previously disarmed, promptly arm them, and in  arming their people these princes make those arms their own."
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How many terrorist acts are done by Swedes?   By Italians?  By little old ladies with walkers and granny-glasses?
The greatest dangers we face are from Muslim nuts, and ever - more so now from home grown ones.
Target them.

Snowden is, as I said, a narcissist.  He may not have been acting alone; if that IS true, he wasn't acting as some sort of alarmist saviour trying to point out to Americans what was happening to our country, but as part of a conspiracy.
If he wanted only to sound an alarm, why go to China or Russia?  If his goal was beneficent, he wouldn't have done that, and no one is going to convince me he is some great patriot warning us some new iteration of redcoats are usurping our privacy.  He is one dweeb who had an in on one small aspect of our intelligence who exposed it without any consideration at all for the harm it would do to the whole, to America, or to the undercover agents who risk their lives in enemy environments to protect America.
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Re: Snowden is nominated for Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2014, 02:43:28 PM »
The mid 70's were a long time ago, friend. Frank Church himself died over 30 years ago.  I don't think anyone was saying that there never existed a congress that would try to do something about the NSA, just that our current congress wouldn't touch it unless forced by public opinion.

The Church commitee also hobbled the CIA and many of the problems that allowed 9/11 to happen can be traced back to the 1970s and what F. Church did.
As to what our current congress would do, it has largely been, if anything, hobbled by Snowden's jackassery.  I know many people here think there's no one in congress who'd care to find out if our liberties are being usurped or not, but there are.   Do you really think that they will be able to do much in the aftermath of Snowden, when the agencies are scrambling to examine the damage and reconstitute the networks and reconfigure the security apparatus Snowdon shot to hell?
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