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Lightning strikes tree.
« on: August 17, 2014, 05:46:28 PM »
I think this happened the night of 8/6. We had a storm come through and were woken up by a close strike. Didn't see this till this afternoon. I was finding strips of bark and hunks of wood 60-70 feet away.
Good size Oak tree, I'll get it for firewood when it cools off a little.







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Re: Lightning strikes tree.
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2014, 05:55:09 PM »
That would have been a forest fire here  =(
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Re: Lightning strikes tree.
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2014, 06:01:41 PM »
That would have been a forest fire here  =(

I didn't see any charred bits from the ground. It was raining buckets when it happened, As wet as it was I don't think you could have lit off napalm that ngiht.
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Re: Lightning strikes tree.
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2014, 07:08:57 PM »
I didn't see any charred bits from the ground. It was raining buckets when it happened, As wet as it was I don't think you could have lit off napalm that ngiht.

Yeah - eastern OK  =)
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Re: Lightning strikes tree.
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2014, 07:10:16 PM »
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Re: Lightning strikes tree.
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2014, 10:51:40 PM »
Lots of rapidly-expanding gas will do that, I guess.  <grin>

(True about the fire danger out west.)

Saw a tall pine tree on a hill get topped by a goodly stroke once.  I was actually watching for it to happen from my balcony.  Lightning all over the place, sounded like an artillery barrage.  There was quite an afterglow in the tree as the top fell off, but no actual fire.  

Retreated indoors, decided against taking a shower, as I had planned, but took a leak anyhow, then thought about the conductive stream of ion-loaded urine and what if...  Made the peeing harder, took longer.

Tree still looks like a truncated pyramid, ten years later.  

But I'm OK, not truncated.  Well, there was that little matter right after I was born, of course.

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Re: Lightning strikes tree.
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2014, 11:47:41 AM »
Slight shift but, maybe, a related question.

Wood is a non-conductor. So what path does the charge travel to get from the air to the ground?

Or, maybe it was a ground to air strike?


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Re: Lightning strikes tree.
« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2014, 11:54:23 AM »
Had a ~50ft pecan tree hit about 50 yards from a house I lived in a couple years ago.  The shock wave cracked several windows, and there were scuffs in the siding from pieces of wood hitting it.  Bark was scattered even farther.  Most of the wood damage was pretty high up in the tree, but it did strip a path of bark down to the ground.

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Re: Lightning strikes tree.
« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2014, 12:18:11 PM »
Wood is a non-conductor.

Wood is a poor conductor, especially when dry.

Given enough voltage (like 1.2 jiggawatts  :lol: ), it obviously does conduct.

I've seen a lot of trees that were hit by lightning while out working on wildfires.
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Re: Lightning strikes tree.
« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2014, 12:21:22 PM »
Wood, especially live wood, is not a non-conductor at those high voltages.  I had occasion once to watch a 10KV (14,000 peak Voltage)) oil burner ignition transformer start to burn a carbonized trace from a connection to its HV terminal through the seasoned wood bench top toward ground.  I shut it off right quick.

Sure, wood shows an "infinite" resistance to your ordinary multimeter, but that's only putting out, max, say, 9V from its battery.  And even in the old days, when wood was used in "breadboarding" circuits* at normal voltages (say, up to about 2-400 Volts) that was OK, but when you're talking millions of volts, the current will be enormous, especially through the live (sap-filled) trunk of a tree.  

I point out that you can buy what is called a "Hi-Pot" tester**, which is used to test for "microscopic" leakages in printed circuits, etc.  But these put out thousands of volts so that the tiny leakage currents can be sensed by the instrument and give you a readout.

So while well-seasoned wood can be pretty "nonconductive," it really isn't, and in the case of a blasted tree, much of the very large current mega-Amps) does indeed go through the internal wood of the tree causing instantaneous heating, causing instantaneous generation of lots of steam, which results in an explosive splitting of the wood.

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* An old-time "breadboarded" circuit. (Looks like a super-regenerative receiver circuit, but it's hard to tell.)  It is obvious where the term "breadboard" originated.

http://tangentsoft.net/elec/bitmaps/ab0cw-breadboard.jpg

** "Hi-Pot" stands for "High Potential."  Remember that "potential" is another word for "Voltage," much as "tension" is... as in "high tension power lines."

ETA Tallpine beat me to it.  Glad he put that smiley in after "jiggawatts."  Sort of like my "microscopic" leakages.
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Re: Lightning strikes tree.
« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2014, 10:16:35 PM »
A live tree has plenty of water in it to conduct. I've cut trees in the spring and summer and have had water dripping from the cut end. It's from the water/sap being more or less super heated and turned to steam in a few miliseconds that cause the tree to explode like that.
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Re: Lightning strikes tree.
« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2014, 08:24:17 PM »
Got it.  Thanks.

I was thinking of a ground to air strike.  With that much voltage, I guess it wouldn't matter if the strike was ground to air or air to ground.

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Re: Lightning strikes tree.
« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2014, 12:23:56 AM »

Good size Oak tree, I'll get it for firewood when it cools off a little.


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Re: Lightning strikes tree.
« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2014, 12:44:20 AM »
I'll get it for firewood when it cools off a little.


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Re: Lightning strikes tree.
« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2015, 05:45:03 AM »
Thread necro.

Finally got around to cutting this up for firewood. Took my son in law out to help. He's a big fine strapping lad. I ran the saw and swung the splitting axe, he dragged brush and ran the hydro splitter and we both loaded the truck. . Cut and split it was a little over a cord.
Kids today, even with my iffy back I worked his ass into the ground.
Made this middle aged fat ass feel a little better. =D
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Re: Lightning strikes tree.
« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2015, 04:38:57 AM »
Clarify:

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I ran the saw and swung the splitting axe, he dragged brush and ran the hydro splitter

You had a powered splitter, yet you also split the logs manually?

(I don't mind necro threads at all, can't figure out why folks beotch about them.)

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Re: Lightning strikes tree.
« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2015, 06:40:04 AM »
Clarify:

You had a powered splitter, yet you also split the logs manually?

(I don't mind necro threads at all, can't figure out why folks beotch about them.)

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Re: Lightning strikes tree.
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2015, 07:52:57 AM »
Clarify:

You had a powered splitter, yet you also split the logs manually?

(I don't mind necro threads at all, can't figure out why folks beotch about them.)

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I've got a 22 ton hydro splitter. It works great but it's slow. On good straight stuff a man with a good axe that knows what he's doing can split a whole bunch faster. That and I still take a deep satisfaction in the process of swinging an axe.
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Re: Lightning strikes tree.
« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2015, 10:40:29 AM »
Thread necro.

Finally got around to cutting this up for firewood. Took my son in law out to help. He's a big fine strapping lad. I ran the saw and swung the splitting axe, he dragged brush and ran the hydro splitter and we both loaded the truck. . Cut and split it was a little over a cord.
Kids today, even with my iffy back I worked his ass into the ground.
Made this middle aged fat ass feel a little better. =D


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Re: Lightning strikes tree.
« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2015, 02:16:05 PM »

Cut and split it was a little over a cord.

Pretty good haul from one tree. 

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Re: Lightning strikes tree.
« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2015, 03:54:56 PM »
I've got a 22 ton hydro splitter. It works great but it's slow. On good straight stuff a man with a good axe that knows what he's doing can split a whole bunch faster. That and I still take a deep satisfaction in the process of swinging an axe.

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