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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #675 on: February 18, 2015, 09:31:05 AM »
I for one was more worried about how a handful of cases would affect the health care system (excessive precautions, health care workers not showing up to work) and the economy, IE panic in the streets, than the actual disease.  A few dozen cases would still be a statistical blip in a country of over 360 million people, but with the 24 hours news cycle it would cause a real problem.
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #676 on: February 18, 2015, 10:12:36 AM »
I for one was more worried about how a handful of cases would affect the health care system (excessive precautions, health care workers not showing up to work) and the economy, IE panic in the streets, than the actual disease.  A few dozen cases would still be a statistical blip in a country of over 360 million people, but with the 24 hours news cycle it would cause a real problem.

It did manage to shut down one of the larger hospitals in a major metroplex.  One with a sizable chunk of the ER capacity.  That was more health-care capacity lost than most mid-sized cities have in total.  IOW, not a piddly little thing. And there has yet to be an accounting of the costs incurred and revenues lost due to ebola.
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #677 on: February 18, 2015, 11:46:53 AM »
The lack of an American pandemic occurring means only one thing.

Obviously we must allow more people from hot zones into our country.

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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #678 on: February 18, 2015, 12:24:49 PM »
One of the milder 1400 ebola cases posts
http://www.vdare.com/posts/centers-for-disease-control-is-secretly-tracking-1400-active-ebola-cases-in-us


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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #679 on: February 18, 2015, 12:26:11 PM »
The article Atkinson wrote that's being inflated
http://sharylattkisson.com/cdc-more-than-1400-people-in-u-s-being-actively-monitored-for-ebola/


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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #680 on: February 18, 2015, 12:38:27 PM »
I for one was more worried about how a handful of cases would affect the health care system (excessive precautions, health care workers not showing up to work) and the economy, IE panic in the streets, than the actual disease.  A few dozen cases would still be a statistical blip in a country of over 360 million people, but with the 24 hours news cycle it would cause a real problem.

You would be surprised as to how few nurses it takes not showing up for their shift to essentially shut down a hospital.  Most hospitals are somewhat short-staffed on the best of days as it is.
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #681 on: February 18, 2015, 01:35:47 PM »
csd, I noticed a certain lack of alarmism in those Atkinson links. I don't see your point.
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #682 on: February 18, 2015, 05:51:27 PM »
You want links to the wnd infowars 1400 case the government and msm are hiding from us?


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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #684 on: February 18, 2015, 06:19:48 PM »
No, I don't want links to yellow journalists being yellow journalists. Nor was I really interested in typical csd caginess. Thank you.
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #685 on: February 18, 2015, 10:03:54 PM »
Alex Jonesers and similar have made an art out of turning information that is readily available into something that was done "quietly," "while we were distracted," etc.
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #686 on: February 18, 2015, 10:53:17 PM »
Yes it's a pretty good living. It's kinda scary how much life some of their stuff has


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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #687 on: February 19, 2015, 12:16:54 AM »
Alex Jonesers and similar have made an art out of turning information that is readily available into something that was done "quietly," "while we were distracted," etc.


Actually, a lot of press org's seem to think that anything not accompanied by a press conference is done "quietly."
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #688 on: February 19, 2015, 09:23:29 AM »
Yes it's a pretty good living. It's kinda scary how much life some of their stuff has


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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #689 on: February 19, 2015, 12:29:18 PM »
I for one was more worried about how a handful of cases would affect the health care system (excessive precautions, health care workers not showing up to work) and the economy, IE panic in the streets, than the actual disease.  A few dozen cases would still be a statistical blip in a country of over 360 million people, but with the 24 hours news cycle it would cause a real problem.

You may remember I did not take that notion very seriously either.
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #690 on: February 19, 2015, 04:59:36 PM »
You may remember I did not take that notion very seriously either.

You might not have taken it seriously, but there was a very real problem at presby here in dallas with capacity when they shut sections down and quarantined exposed folks.
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #691 on: February 19, 2015, 11:07:18 PM »
You might not have taken it seriously, but there was a very real problem at presby here in dallas with capacity when they shut sections down and quarantined exposed folks.

Yeah, no shinola.  DFW has a population a little less than Israel's.  Dallas Presby is the third largest hospital in the metroplex, with around 900 beds.  I bet folks in Israel would be more than a bit upset to find out that around a little less than 1/4 or so of their hospital capacity just went tango uniform due to a recent african immigrant and his carry-on baggage.

Easy to discount it from afar where the consequences of not dealing with it properly are negligible.
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #692 on: February 19, 2015, 11:10:46 PM »
I'm still disappointed  we didn't get TEOTWAWKIZOMBIEAPOCOLYPSEBLACKDEATHPLAGUE we need to restore balance to mother Gaia by reducing the human infestation causing all the problems.
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #693 on: February 19, 2015, 11:25:33 PM »
You may remember I did not take that notion very seriously either.
Yeah, no shinola.  DFW has a population a little less than Israel's.  Dallas Presby is the third largest hospital in the metroplex, with around 900 beds.  I bet folks in Israel would be more than a bit upset to find out that around a little less than 1/4 or so of their hospital capacity just went tango uniform due to a recent african immigrant and his carry-on baggage.

Easy to discount it from afar where the consequences of not dealing with it properly are negligible.

900 beds isn't something to sneeze at.   A couple cases and you lose capacity to deal with actual health threats. 
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #694 on: February 20, 2015, 12:03:46 AM »
900 beds isn't something to sneeze at.   A couple cases and you lose capacity to deal with actual health threats. 


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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #695 on: February 20, 2015, 12:09:57 PM »
Wasn't it the quarantine of the medical workers that took it down?


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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #696 on: February 20, 2015, 12:21:50 PM »
Wasn't it the quarantine of the medical workers that took it down?

Not just that, but the inability to make good and sure spaces where infected folks spent time were free from ebola virus.  It is one thing if Obvious Ebola Guy goes through the ER, down hallways, and into a room or wing.  There are several folks who can make sure every place he went was cataloged and sanitized. Quite another when one of his nurses is infected, as she goes LOTS more places where she could leave ebola.  Or a janitor, who then goes to every mother-loving space in the hospital.  If he is doing his job right, he touches danged near every horizontal surface in the hospital.

Take a gander upthread and look at Perry's infectious disease committee plan for the next rodeo.  They way they planned it out addresses all this sort of thing.
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #697 on: February 20, 2015, 12:36:04 PM »
Yeah, no shinola.  DFW has a population a little less than Israel's.  Dallas Presby is the third largest hospital in the metroplex, with around 900 beds.  I bet folks in Israel would be more than a bit upset to find out that around a little less than 1/4 or so of their hospital capacity just went tango uniform due to a recent african immigrant and his carry-on baggage.

And they had the advantage of Med City Dallas being just up the road.  Maybe 10min by ambulance door to door, and a lot less if the driver started out knowing to bypass Presbyterian.  Dallas Medical Center maybe 15min down Forest if traffic is heavy or the driver is scared.  Also several specialists just off the premises and some doc-in-a-box minor emergency clinics nearby.  They could turn even ER inbounds away with solid confidence that it wouldn't be a serious delay.  A hospital in a less-well-served area wouldn't be able to redirect emergencies coming in so easily.  Here, or several of the neighboring cities, it would be at least a 30 minute trip to the next proper ER.

Or a janitor, who then goes to every mother-loving space in the hospital.  If he is doing his job right, he touches danged near every horizontal surface in the hospital.

Maintenance more than janitor; they're not elbow deep in sanitizer all day, and their logs are generally with the business side rather than the medical side.  They can also carry germs to places even the janitors rarely see, (boiler room, crawl spaces, etc.) which then get passed by other maintenance workers to new locations.

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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #698 on: February 21, 2015, 07:33:34 PM »
Compare this to the predictions that had been made in this thread. Dozens of dead, etc. People actually started a thread on how to isolate your child if they get ebola.
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #699 on: April 29, 2021, 09:16:37 PM »
This thread was very interesting to go back through in light of the COVID...thank God we didn’t have an Ebola outbreak can you imagine the insanity??? 
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