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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #225 on: October 12, 2014, 10:01:31 AM »
And the POS family members are suing Presby for taking care of their worthless sack of a relative. Don't really care if now if they DIAF wherever they may currently reside.

With all the recent media stories about how he was turned away from the ED at the first visit, and conjecture that he may have lived if he was admitted then, I told my wife that a lawsuit was being set up.
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #226 on: October 12, 2014, 10:33:37 AM »
Number two in Dallas. Is this the first case of transmission in the US?

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/10/12/health-care-worker-at-dallas-hospital-tests-positive-for-ebola/

And a close contact of the health care worker is in 'preliminary isolation', whatever that is.

Supposedly, the "health care worker was wearing full protection gear and following all CDC guidelines when he or she made contact with Duncan."  And yet this person still managed to contract Ebola.
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #227 on: October 12, 2014, 11:40:38 AM »
With all the recent media stories about how he was turned away from the ED at the first visit, and conjecture that he may have lived if he was admitted then, I told my wife that a lawsuit was being set up.

I hope this doesn't surprise you. I am sure Jesse Jackson is only charging the family 40% or so of any future payouts from a lawsuit after he whips the crowd into a racially divided frenzy. ;)

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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #228 on: October 12, 2014, 07:10:03 PM »
Her infection is nothing more than acceptable collateral damage in the war of political correctness vs common sense.
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #229 on: October 12, 2014, 07:33:11 PM »
I suspect someone got careless. The lady in Spain thinks she touched her face while taking off her suit. I am a bit skeptical wonder if something more venal happened


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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #230 on: October 13, 2014, 01:23:58 AM »
With all the recent media stories about how he was turned away from the ED at the first visit, and conjecture that he may have lived if he was admitted then, I told my wife that a lawsuit was being set up.

If that is true, they deserve to win and receive a giant payout.
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #231 on: October 13, 2014, 01:40:34 AM »
I suspect someone got careless. The lady in Spain thinks she touched her face while taking off her suit. I am a bit skeptical wonder if something more venal happened


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 Very likely- the problem is, a perfect plan that does not include people making mistakes is not so perfect anymore-
 Outside of the medical issue, my problem is the ass's in charge have been lying so unremittingly that I no longer trust anything any government official says, at any level, or any capacity, unless they can prove it to my satisfaction. I am not sure , even at this stage, that they realize how much the average citizen distrusts them.

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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #232 on: October 13, 2014, 04:34:59 AM »
I heard the tape of the Liberian gal calling an ambulance - I couldn't understand what the heck she was saying - I can see emergency personnel not taking them serious - she sounded really dumb.
I worked with a Liberian dude 13 yrs ago or so - he was difficult to understand too - but not that bad
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #233 on: October 13, 2014, 06:05:28 AM »
Very likely- the problem is, a perfect plan that does not include people making mistakes is not so perfect anymore-
 Outside of the medical issue, my problem is the ass's in charge have been lying so unremittingly that I no longer trust anything any government official says, at any level, or any capacity, unless they can prove it to my satisfaction. I am not sure , even at this stage, that they realize how much the average citizen distrusts them.


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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #234 on: October 13, 2014, 04:03:38 PM »
To everyone with Hand Wavium "We can handle this", the simple fact is:  We Can Not.  This has already jumped the ocean, and will continue to do so, unless and until we quarantine Ebolaland.   The CDC either doesn't or refuses to acknowledge how virulent this virus is and the fact that in the past it has proven to be airborne.   Looking at the CDC reports this is NOT "burning out" but continuing to spread and grow.  Which it will continue to do until there is a wall built around it and it burns out within that wall.  

As pointed out our facilities are neither designed nor equipped to handle this.  And for those still practicing the Hand Wavium, tell me if you would take your wife or mother to Presby Hospital in Dallas today, if your loved one had been in a car accident?  Would you be willing to take that chance?  Are you willing to go there with your bleeding loved one (or yourself) in the same ER that DEG was in?  Are you that confident that "they got it"?

This is fire.  And the political correctness is going to kill people.  Just like HIV has done


http://news.yahoo.com/investigators-rush-ebola-struck-dallas-nurse-160629231.html

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"We have to rethink the way we address Ebola infection control. Even a single infection is unacceptable," Frieden told reporters.

Frieden is Dr. Thomas Frieden, director of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

When the guys in the white lab coats say "Huh, that wasn't supposed to happen."  *expletive deleted*it just got real and bad all at once.
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #235 on: October 13, 2014, 04:24:12 PM »
The CDC either doesn't or refuses to acknowledge how virulent this virus is and the fact that in the past it has proven to be airborne.

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« Reply #236 on: October 13, 2014, 04:24:58 PM »
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Frieden is Dr. Thomas Frieden, director of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

When the guys in the white lab coats say "Huh, that wasn't supposed to happen."  *expletive deleted* it just got real and bad all at once.

He sounds like a political hack who has been in over his head since day one. Not unexpected from the Peter Principle Presidency.
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #237 on: October 13, 2014, 04:49:55 PM »
To everyone with Hand Wavium "We can handle this", the simple fact is:  We Can Not.  This has already jumped the ocean, and will continue to do so, unless and until we quarantine Ebolaland.   The CDC either doesn't or refuses to acknowledge how virulent this virus is and the fact that in the past it has proven to be airborne.   Looking at the CDC reports this is NOT "burning out" but continuing to spread and grow.  Which it will continue to do until there is a wall built around it and it burns out within that wall.  

As pointed out our facilities are neither designed nor equipped to handle this.  And for those still practicing the Hand Wavium, tell me if you would take your wife or mother to Presby Hospital in Dallas today, if your loved one had been in a car accident?  Would you be willing to take that chance?  Are you willing to go there with your bleeding loved one (or yourself) in the same ER that DEG was in?  Are you that confident that "they got it"?

This is fire.  And the political correctness is going to kill people.  Just like HIV has done


http://news.yahoo.com/investigators-rush-ebola-struck-dallas-nurse-160629231.html

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Frieden is Dr. Thomas Frieden, director of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

When the guys in the white lab coats say "Huh, that wasn't supposed to happen."  *expletive deleted* it just got real and bad all at once.

Bold part is factually incorrect. No strain of the virus that affects humans has ever been shown to be air transmissible. And if it was I'd expect to see higher numbers in the African outbreaks. Not saying it can't happen, but it has not so far.
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #238 on: October 13, 2014, 05:01:54 PM »
Bold part is factually incorrect. No strain of the virus that affects humans has ever been shown to be air transmissible. And if it was I'd expect to see higher numbers in the African outbreaks. Not saying it can't happen, but it has not so far.

"Proven" is too strong a word, but the bit I hit with bold face is also factually incorrect.  I recall reading that a strain of Ebola that kills both monkeys/baboons and humans, while at USAMRIID, manged to make the jump across a room in their level four containment facility.  Infected primates caged on one side of the room and uninfected primates caged on the other side, no physical mixing.  And the uninfected primates got the virus anyway.

USAMRIID was unable to explain how it happened, but it was considered rather disturbing.  I do note that USAMRIID has not participated in the hot & heavy news-releases as the CDC has done:
http://www.usamriid.army.mil/newsroom.cfm
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #239 on: October 13, 2014, 05:06:42 PM »
"Proven" is too strong a word, but the bit I hit with bold face is also factually incorrect.  I recall reading that a strain of Ebola that kills both monkeys/baboons and humans, while at USAMRIID, manged to make the jump across a room in their level four containment facility.  Infected primates caged on one side of the room and uninfected primates caged on the other side, no physical mixing.  And the uninfected primates got the virus anyway.

USAMRIID was unable to explain how it happened, but it was considered rather disturbing.  I do note that USAMRIID has not participated in the hot & heavy news-releases as the CDC has done:
http://www.usamriid.army.mil/newsroom.cfm

There was a lot more to that experiment than merely having monkeys in cages with no direct physical contact, but I don't have a link handy to the exact details.
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #240 on: October 13, 2014, 05:07:26 PM »
"Proven" is too strong a word, but the bit I hit with bold face is also factually incorrect.  I recall reading that a strain of Ebola that kills both monkeys/baboons and humans, while at USAMRIID, manged to make the jump across a room in their level four containment facility.  Infected primates caged on one side of the room and uninfected primates caged on the other side, no physical mixing.  And the uninfected primates got the virus anyway.

USAMRIID was unable to explain how it happened, but it was considered rather disturbing.  I do note that USAMRIID has not participated in the hot & heavy news-releases as the CDC has done:
http://www.usamriid.army.mil/newsroom.cfm

Primates throw things and spit, not sure how big the room is. Also could have been bad hygiene on the part of the workers, like using same water/food bowls without proper cleaning.

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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #241 on: October 13, 2014, 05:15:29 PM »
Primates throw things and spit, not sure how big the room is. Also could have been bad hygiene on the part of the workers, like using same water/food bowls without proper cleaning.

Maybe so.  In any case, USAMRIID could not suss out the cause. 

Yet it still occurred.  Makes it hard to argue "Unpossible!" when reality defies the claim.  FTR, I do not claim to know how it happened, either.
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #242 on: October 13, 2014, 05:19:32 PM »
Give a read to "The Hot Zone: The Terrifying True Story of the Origins of the Ebola Virus" by Richard Preston.  It lays out the reasons why it was thought that Ebola Reston may have gone airborne.  The best explanation USAMRIID could come up with was viruses tagging along on droplets of moisture coughed up by the infected monkeys and carried across the room by air circulation.  But even that explanation was never really proven.
And, it happened not once but twice.  The second occurrence was infection moving into a room that had no known infected monkeys.
Several humans also tested positive for Ebola Reston antibodies after it was all over.  Lucky for them, Ebola Reston was a mutation deadly only to monkeys.  Humans showed no symptoms of infection at all.
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« Reply #243 on: October 13, 2014, 05:22:14 PM »
Primates throw things and spit, not sure how big the room is. Also could have been bad hygiene on the part of the workers, like using same water/food bowls without proper cleaning.



The line between "spit droplet" and "airborne" seems to be kind of vague at best to me.

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« Reply #244 on: October 13, 2014, 05:23:06 PM »
Lucky for them, Ebola Reston was a mutation deadly only to monkeys.  Humans showed no symptoms of infection at all.

Actually, IIRC, some showed mild flulike symptoms, but recovered quickly.

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« Reply #245 on: October 13, 2014, 05:24:43 PM »
The line between "spit droplet" and "airborne" seems to be kind of vague at best to me.

End result is similar enough; catch it without discernible direct contact with infected bodily fluids.  Only significant difference might be ease of filtration or raw distance covered by the transmission.

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« Reply #246 on: October 13, 2014, 05:27:15 PM »
Actually, IIRC, some showed mild flulike symptoms, but recovered quickly.

In the book there were two folks that got sick during or after working in the lab.  One presented some classic Ebola symptoms like vomiting and diarrhea.  In the end he turned out to have food poisoning.  Another actually had the flu.

Finished the book not long ago.  However, the usual disclaimers for faulty memory and such.  YMMV.
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #247 on: October 13, 2014, 05:27:26 PM »
Primates throw things and spit, not sure how big the room is. Also could have been bad hygiene on the part of the workers, like using same water/food bowls without proper cleaning.


I know monkeys can throw *expletive deleted*it pretty hard, but last I checked they can't throw it through a wall. It spread to rooms that had no infected monkeys.
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #248 on: October 13, 2014, 05:33:35 PM »
Maybe so.  In any case, USAMRIID could not suss out the cause. 

Yet it still occurred.  Makes it hard to argue "Unpossible!" when reality defies the claim.  FTR, I do not claim to know how it happened, either.

Quite a big difference between "hasn't happened yet" and "unpossible."
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #249 on: October 13, 2014, 05:47:05 PM »
The line between "spit droplet" and "airborne" seems to be kind of vague at best to me.

I would like more clarification on this issue, too.  

I can make the distinction between water as an aerosol and water dissolved into the air.  An aerosol is small to super-tiny droplets.  Anything form sea spray to fog.  Water dissolved into the air presents itself as absolute humidity.  The two act on the hardware I care about in different ways.

But as to the difference between "airborne" and "aerosol" in the medical/biological sense, I could use a hint.



Quite a big difference between "hasn't happened yet" and "unpossible."

That's the thing: IIRC, it has happened.  In a USAMRIID Level 4 protocol lab.  They could not explain how, though(1), so claims of "proven" seem premature while at the same time "hasn't happened yet" can no longer be claimed.  Not a happy place to be, but there you are.

I am not referring to Reston Virus.

But, again, you don't see any goobers form USAMRIID running in front of a camera to claim it can't happen. 



(1) And, yes, poo and urine flinging was postulated, as well as some sort of aerosolized bodily fluids.  They could not hammer any of them  down to their satisfaction.
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