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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #275 on: October 13, 2014, 08:08:04 PM »
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I am not referring to Reston Virus.

I believe you are, in fact.  USAMRRID handled most of the investigation and mitigation of the Ebola Reston outbreak in the Hazleton Laboratories facility in Reston, VA, the site of the Ebola Reston outbreak.  They did a lot of work on the remains of euthanized monkeys in their USAMRRID labs.  I don't recall if they performed any experimentation on monkeys in their labs, however.
For the record, CDC played a relatively minor part in the Reston incident.
Unless there is another incident out there that I have not seen a reference to.
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #276 on: October 13, 2014, 08:13:32 PM »
Reston is the one that the zomg folks try to use as an example of "its gone airborne"
It falls short of that


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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #277 on: October 13, 2014, 08:17:14 PM »
Yes, totally isolated, separate rooms.   No mixing of food, people or utensils.  Nothing that had ever been in Room "A"  ever allowed in Room "B".   The only possible transmission source was.....wait for it......

The HVAC system.

So yeah.  Airborne.



And as someone who's entire life revolves around infection prevention procedures, I think this goes here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-JA1ffd5Ms

Got a link? Roo ster typed same room. I've noticed he has a memory like a steel trap, if he read separate rooms, I'm pretty sure he would have typed that because that is so much more alarming than infected and uninfected in the same room.

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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #278 on: October 13, 2014, 08:20:16 PM »
There may just be doizens or hundreds of cases already, but it won't be known for 20 days or so.

I have to concede a point though. Again today, I witnessed a woman at work (not the most outwardly hygenic person, I'll add), take the newspaper into the bathroom and then place it back onto the lunch table when she came back out 15 minutes later. I'm leaving a nasty note on the paper. [barf]

I pitched a fit to the nurse at work giving out flu shots on why she didn't wear gloves when giving shots. She was an older lady and pretty much gave me the screw you look. I dropped out of line and went to the nurse who changed her glove between each person.

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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #279 on: October 13, 2014, 08:27:29 PM »
Reston is the one that the zomg folks try to use as an example of "its gone airborne"
It falls short of that

It's neither proof nor disproof.  We should remember and understand that.  Something unexplained happened during that incident.  The virus traveled between isolated rooms to infect crab-eating Macaques from a completely different shipment and past the accepted quarantine period for Ebola Zaire (Ebola Reston seriously twigged the Mayinga Ebola test, the only test for Ebola Zaire at that time, scaring the crap out of the USAMRIID scientists.)
One hopes that there is a non-airborne explanation for how ER made it to that isolated monkey room.  But at the end of the day, we just do not know.
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #280 on: October 13, 2014, 08:39:10 PM »
I believe you are confusing the reston case with the outbreak of same virus at texas facility. Its described in link in post 265


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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #281 on: October 13, 2014, 08:39:52 PM »


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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #282 on: October 13, 2014, 08:44:07 PM »
I believe you are confusing the reston case with the outbreak of same virus at texas facility. Its described in link in post 265


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Who is confusing Reston with Texas?  My info comes from the Reston event.
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #283 on: October 13, 2014, 08:48:53 PM »
Reston was one room different cages/enclosures i believe let me got look again its been a while


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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #284 on: October 13, 2014, 08:50:36 PM »
snopes even has something to about it.

http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/ebolaairborne.asp

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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #285 on: October 13, 2014, 08:53:05 PM »
Your were right they were in room f and h. However they all came from the same place in 2 shipments. Were both infected when they showed up
https://web.stanford.edu/group/virus/filo/ebor.html


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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #286 on: October 13, 2014, 08:56:44 PM »
Reston was one room different cages/enclosures i believe let me got look again its been a while

Actually multiple rooms.  From the book cited earlier, plus some other sources recently read.  
After additional reading, my earlier statement about the isolated room containing monkeys past incubation time may not be accurate.  YMMV.
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #287 on: October 13, 2014, 09:05:02 PM »
Yeah, it's airborne:

http://www.nature.com/srep/2012/121115/srep00811/full/srep00811.html


http://ispub.com/IJPRM/2/1/12768


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And, indeed researchers discovered that this was a new species of Ebola virus, which they named Ebola-Reston15, 28, 29. The new virus was highly pathogenic in monkeys but apparently not in humans. The researchers also dispelled the idea that filoviruses were found only in Africa, because the monkeys had been imported from the Philippines. The investigators documented a high likelihood of aerosol transmission outside a controlled laboratory setting, because the virus appeared to pass between rooms to infect susceptible monkeys. Specimens from animals that died or were killed to eradicate the outbreak yielded fertile ground for research in new Ebola virus detection and identification techniques and the virological and pathological events associated with infection.
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #288 on: October 13, 2014, 09:17:01 PM »
Yeah, it's airborne:

http://www.nature.com/srep/2012/121115/srep00811/full/srep00811.html


http://ispub.com/IJPRM/2/1/12768



That is about Reston ebolavirus which is a non-pathogen to humans.

The current outbreak is Zaire ebolavirus.
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #289 on: October 13, 2014, 09:34:25 PM »
I pitched a fit to the nurse at work giving out flu shots on why she didn't wear gloves when giving shots. She was an older lady and pretty much gave me the screw you look. I dropped out of line and went to the nurse who changed her glove between each person.



Back when my grandfather was in the hospital for the last stretch, one of the DUMB ass nurses came to draw blood...and she drew blood without wearing gloves. What. The. *expletive deleted* ck. I believe that if Millcreek had been there to witness it he would have stroked out right there.





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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #290 on: October 13, 2014, 09:36:18 PM »
Yeah, it's airborne:

http://www.nature.com/srep/2012/121115/srep00811/full/srep00811.html


http://ispub.com/IJPRM/2/1/12768

Link 2 above your post shows both groups came from same farm were likely infected  when they came in door.

And from your link

The design and size of the animal cubicle did not allow to distinguish whether the transmission was by aerosol, small or large droplets in the air, or droplets created during floor cleaning which landed inside the NHP cages (fomites).
 
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #291 on: October 13, 2014, 09:40:55 PM »
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #292 on: October 13, 2014, 09:44:51 PM »
Uh, you guys realize that gloves are A) not sterile; and B) for their protection.
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #293 on: October 13, 2014, 09:45:18 PM »
snopes even has something to about it.

http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/ebolaairborne.asp


That settles it, snopes says ebola is not airborne. No need go wear masks, let aline supplied breathing air.
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #294 on: October 13, 2014, 09:46:25 PM »
Uh, you guys realize that gloves are A) not sterile; and B) for their protection.
Thats what she said.
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #295 on: October 13, 2014, 09:47:43 PM »
Uh, you guys realize that gloves are A) not sterile; and B) for their protection.

Yes, but one should change them between touching different patients.
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« Reply #296 on: October 13, 2014, 09:49:12 PM »
That settles it, snopes says ebola is not airborne. No need go wear masks, let aline supplied breathing air.

oh geez...
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #297 on: October 13, 2014, 09:49:49 PM »
Yes, but one should change them between touching different patients.

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Re: Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #298 on: October 13, 2014, 10:00:01 PM »
I was not referring to the reston virus which had multiple rooms of critters and different rooms came down with the reston virus at different times.  Very strong indications that it could infect via airborn means.  Super creepy but not a killer of humans.

I was referring to an incident earlier in the hot zone book witnessed or documented by the lady epidemiologist.  I also googled her after reading the hot zone.  Anyways the location was the usamriid level four facility.  One room had several deliberately infected baboons or monkeys and two uninfected controls.  They were dissecting the infected ones to see the progression of ebola over time on the internal organs.  And it came a big mf-ing surprise when the controls came down with ebola.  They could not explain how it happened but it caused quite a bit of heartburn. 

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