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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #375 on: October 15, 2014, 09:15:29 PM »
I read that book 2-3 years ago.  Very insightful.

Meanwhile we have gone from 0 exposed in the US over a month ago to 3 confirmed cases and

75+ Dallas Presbyterian Healthcare workers exposed
132 on a Frontier Airlines flight
20ish of DEG's family, friends and co-workers.
?? Because Dr. "Soup" Synderman couldn't keep her *expletive deleted*ss under "Voluntary" quarantine.
And an unknown number of unknowns that have yet to develop symptoms.

And yet "We got this."  


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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #376 on: October 15, 2014, 09:27:19 PM »
There are DDT and pyrethroids (stuff bed nets are currently treated with) resistant mosquito populations now. So DDT is no longer the saving grace that the chemical happy crowd is always pointing at.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/02/140224204808.htm

HIV/AIDS, last time I checked there was no cure, what is interesting it spreads in similar ways of the different Ebola species, not all but many of the way. Currently HIV is a manageable disease but it will kill you eventually, quicker unless you got Magic Johnson's money. Plus if I remember correctly HIV/AIDS had spread to a lot of people before they really knew what it was and how it spread. Not sure how the non politically correct method would have worked, also where would have put all those people infected with HIV? FDR's abandoned internment camps?

Yes, Malaria can be treated, but it is also not contagious, have to be bit by the mosquito that has the malaria parasite.

Maybe things like Marburg and Ebola viruses are nature's way of controlling the population of a certain species? This time its the human species turn for a population reduction? There are a lot more viruses and bacterial species then there is of any vertebrate or invertebrate and they evolve a lot faster than the other animals, I think Darwin would have appreciated the wee nasty beasties.

So advocating for genocide now?  "Just let it run it's course."  Nice....

1)  DDT is far, far, far more effective then anything else to reduce/eliminate malaria.  (Also works against bedbugs, btw)  And although you claim to be an expert at Microbiology, perhaps some basic chemistry is in order.  "The dosage makes the poison"  A little DDT goes long way.  As opposed to how it (and everything else) was used in the 40's, 50's and 60's.  We know better now.

2)  Transmission of HIV is much more difficult then Ebola.  (HIV doesn't have you puking and shitting blood).  Plus the primary transmission method of HIV was identified early on (Anal sex, as it had to go into the blood stream, hence the difficulty in males getting it from females.)  Had those ID with the virus been quarantined early on, its spread would have stopped.  However, they didn't want it to be a "gay and or druggie" disease, so enough "others" had to become infected (transfusions) to show that "everyone" is at risk.  And the only way to do that was to put everyone at risk.  The populations today primarily effected (now that blood is screened) are surprisingly Homosexual men and Intravenous drug users.

3)  And what happens if you test positive for TB?  QUARANTINED for treatment.

Why are we not doing it with Ebola? 
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Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #377 on: October 15, 2014, 09:43:32 PM »
You know how many folks we've quarantined for tb? And when?

http://www.ncsl.org/research/health/state-quarantine-and-isolation-statutes.aspx
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #378 on: October 15, 2014, 09:45:07 PM »
So advocating for genocide now?  "Just let it run it's course."  Nice....

1)  DDT is far, far, far more effective then anything else to reduce/eliminate malaria.  (Also works against bedbugs, btw)  And although you claim to be an expert at Microbiology, perhaps some basic chemistry is in order.  "The dosage makes the poison"  A little DDT goes long way.  As opposed to how it (and everything else) was used in the 40's, 50's and 60's.  We know better now.

2)  Transmission of HIV is much more difficult then Ebola.  (HIV doesn't have you puking and shitting blood).  Plus the primary transmission method of HIV was identified early on (Anal sex, as it had to go into the blood stream, hence the difficulty in males getting it from females.)  Had those ID with the virus been quarantined early on, its spread would have stopped.  However, they didn't want it to be a "gay and or druggie" disease, so enough "others" had to become infected (transfusions) to show that "everyone" is at risk.  And the only way to do that was to put everyone at risk.  The populations today primarily effected (now that blood is screened) are surprisingly Homosexual men and Intravenous drug users.

3)  And what happens if you test positive for TB?  QUARANTINED for treatment.

Why are we not doing it with Ebola? 

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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #379 on: October 15, 2014, 09:50:35 PM »
Man trying to conquer and control everything is going to be the end salvation of our species.

It is why we no longer piss in the same stream we get drinking water from and have to chase down herd animals with pointy sticks.
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #380 on: October 15, 2014, 09:53:23 PM »
Man trying to conquer and control everything is going to be the end of our species.
So your plan is what? *expletive deleted*ck it?
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #381 on: October 15, 2014, 10:08:26 PM »
So your plan is what? *expletive deleted* ck it?

That is what happens when you try to control everything, you play "God" and stuff comes back with vengeance.

Just look at the antibiotic resistant common bacteria, Round Up resistant weeds, etc.
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #382 on: October 15, 2014, 10:32:18 PM »
That is what happens when you try to control everything, you play "God" and stuff comes back with vengeance.

Just look at the antibiotic resistant common bacteria, Round Up resistant weeds, etc.

Yeah, or introducing rabbits to australia... ;/

You miss the point, ebola zaire does not belong in the western hemisphere, its an alien species. To negligently introduce it go our country where prevention is incredibly simple is beyond criminal.
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« Reply #383 on: October 15, 2014, 10:34:33 PM »
That is what happens when you try to control everything, you play "God" and stuff comes back with vengeance.

Just look at the antibiotic resistant common bacteria, Round Up resistant weeds, etc.
Putting someone with an Infectious disease isn't playing God
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #384 on: October 15, 2014, 10:41:47 PM »
Yeah, or introducing rabbits to australia... ;/

You miss the point, ebola zaire does not belong in the western hemisphere, its an alien species. To negligently introduce it go our country where prevention is incredibly simple is beyond criminal.

Nether does small pox. :)

I got the point, but if you are going to intercontinental trade and travel you got to understand the risks.

Malaria came from Africa, same place that Ebola showed up. Same with Yellow Fever, both came over during the slave trade.

Syphilis came from the new world, also Polio, Hepatitis and Encephalitis.
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #385 on: October 15, 2014, 11:06:38 PM »
I read that book 2-3 years ago.  Very insightful.

Meanwhile we have gone from 0 exposed in the US over a month ago to 3 confirmed cases and

75+ Dallas Presbyterian Healthcare workers exposed
132 on a Frontier Airlines flight
20ish of DEG's family, friends and co-workers.
?? Because Dr. "Soup" Synderman couldn't keep her *expletive deleted* under "Voluntary" quarantine.
And an unknown number of unknowns that have yet to develop symptoms.

And yet "We got this." 


Yeah, we do....
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #386 on: October 15, 2014, 11:33:25 PM »
So, FEG* visited her fiancé while in Cleveland. What do you reckon the odds are that they "exchanged" some bodily fluids?

* flying Ebola girl.
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #387 on: October 16, 2014, 12:31:56 AM »
So, FEG* visited her fiancé while in Cleveland. What do you reckon the odds are that they "exchanged" some bodily fluids?

* flying Ebola girl.

Much higher than if they were married, but lower than if they weren't already engaged.

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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #388 on: October 16, 2014, 02:41:25 AM »
Much higher than if they were married, but lower than if they weren't already engaged.

Statistically married folks have a much higher frequency of sexual activity.

And the flying doc merely illustrates that voluntary quarantines never work. I am very reluctant to support .gov agents using force against people, but quarantines need to be enforced (and harshly) or they are always ineffectual.
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #389 on: October 16, 2014, 06:44:28 AM »
That is what happens when you try to control everything, you play "God" and stuff comes back with vengeance.

Just look at the antibiotic resistant common bacteria, Round Up resistant weeds, etc.

What am I to see?

People today are healthier, live longer, and eat more than ever before.

World hunger is on the retreat.

There are many many many social problems.

But there's no meaningful argument against the fact that medical and industrial progress has consistently caused the simple problems of starvation and plague to retreat, step by painful step.

Just in some numbers:

When the Soviet Union collapsed, the number of people living in undernourishment conditions was about a billion. Today - despite the fact that the population of Earth has clearly grown - this is 805 million. Less people are starving in absolute numbers. Comparable to the grim darkness of the pre-industrial age, when hunger was commonplace in even the wealthiest parts of the world, this is nothing short of fantastic.

Malaria is on the decline, and has last year been eliminated in yet another country. HIV is on decline in Africa - a disease from which we have no cure and no vaccine, and yet civilization is making its inevitable advance.

Basic hygiene works. NBC suits work. Quarantines work. Civilization works.

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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #390 on: October 16, 2014, 07:53:18 AM »
Nether does small pox. :)

I got the point, but if you are going to intercontinental trade and travel you got to understand the risks.

Malaria came from Africa, same place that Ebola showed up. Same with Yellow Fever, both came over during the slave trade.

Syphilis came from the new world, also Polio, Hepatitis and Encephalitis.

Erm no... Its a very simply matter to bar immigration from hot zones. Our government chose not to.
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #391 on: October 16, 2014, 08:33:34 AM »
Erm no... Its a very simply matter to bar immigration from hot zones. Our government chose not to.

I don't disagree and more than likely most immigration could be stopped from the hot zones, well unless they went through Mexico first.

The question is who is going to got to the hot zones and keep the people from immigrating elsewhere and spreading the disease to others? Damn near be impossible to ban the entire world from entering the US.
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #392 on: October 16, 2014, 08:40:25 AM »
Oh now you get all reality bound


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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #393 on: October 16, 2014, 08:46:34 AM »
Well if we were in front of this and had a ban in place sooner we know of two women who wouldn't have contracted ebola.
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #394 on: October 16, 2014, 09:34:39 AM »
And the flying doc merely illustrates that voluntary quarantines never work.

Except that it wasn't even a voluntary quarantine; CDC told her it was OK to travel.

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« Reply #395 on: October 16, 2014, 09:45:41 AM »
Except that it wasn't even a voluntary quarantine; CDC told her it was OK to travel.
I heard she is claiming that she asked to travel and was told it was okay.  Claims they told her that her fever wasn't high enough.
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #396 on: October 16, 2014, 09:54:16 AM »
I don't disagree and more than likely most immigration could be stopped from the hot zones, well unless they went through Mexico first.

The question is who is going to got to the hot zones and keep the people from immigrating elsewhere and spreading the disease to others? Damn near be impossible to ban the entire world from entering the US.

Err... unless they are swimming across the Med or the Atlantic (after walking through several countries that have already closed their borders), they will have had to get on a plane and use a passport.

Now, I might be just making things up here, but aren't there some type of computation devices that track where an individual's origin was while on the flights on those new-fangled aereoplanes?
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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #397 on: October 16, 2014, 10:03:56 AM »
I heard she is claiming that she asked to travel and was told it was okay.  Claims they told her that her fever wasn't high enough.

99.5 really isn't.  That would be like diagnosing someone with a heart problem based on a 10% elevated rate, from one measurement, without knowing current mental state and recent exertion.

Also depends on the method; when one of our friends got one of those non-contact thermometers, we played with it for a while.  Different vasoconstricting and vasodilating foods will let you register a strong fever or severe hypothermia on the thing while perfectly healthy.

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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #398 on: October 16, 2014, 10:25:35 AM »
Shows a lack of discretion and judgement all the way around.

Even though you've had contact with a fully symptomatic individual your fever isn't high enough yet to be of concern!   :facepalm:

Instead of telling her to lay low and monitor her condition they gave her the go ahead to interact in one of the most public forums possible that has the most potential to facilitate the spread of a infectious disease!  :facepalm:

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Re: Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US
« Reply #399 on: October 16, 2014, 10:39:24 AM »
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