Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

I wish I could disagree emphatically. Can't . Sorry for both our luck


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[SADShooter]

Yep, and I think they are evil enough bring infected people here to infect us and cause a few ebola deaths -- just so they will have something to save us from.  They think they can control it well enough to have a scary but small and manageable crisis.

October Surprise, but this one blew up off schedule.

[Scout26]

[Hawkmoon]

Because I'm not quite clear on this-

Someone who is "self-quarantined" and "monitored" for Ebola, after being exposed to Patient Zero, WENT ON A CRUISE WITH 3000+ OTHER PEOPLE IN A CONFINED SPACE!?!?!?

Yeah. Like the network medical reporter (an M.D.) who self-quarantined herself after being over there and then went out to a fast food joint to pick up dinner. Or the Yalies who went to Liberia so they could write a computer program to track infections (What? It's not possible to write computer programs in New Haven? Who knew?) and then came home to "self-quarantine." Problem is, to get home they had to fly several hours in an airplane with a few hundred other people. Then they had to process through immigration and customs in close proximity to lots of other people. Assuming they returned to the U.S. through JFK in New York, that's about 80 miles from New Haven and they probably traveled by bus or limousine. So after potentially exposing probably at least a thousand people -- they THEN shut the doors to their apartments and "self-quarantined"?

Why is it that nobody in authority in this God-forsaken country understands what "Q-U-A-R-A-N-T-I-N-E" means? It's not difficult: "Keep potentially sick people away from people who aren't sick."

[Hawkmoon]

2. It would make it harder to track infected people
Experts say a travel ban would make people less likely to seek treatment or be honest about any contacts they have had with Ebola patients. And it could encourage people to leave West Africa in other ways before heading to the U.S., making them harder to track.

This is from the country that, a few years ago, managed to trace a single infected COW from a ranch in Canada to a barn in the U.S. And cows don't travel with tickets and passports.

[Hawkmoon]

In the interests of accuracy, I point out that the healthcare worker on the cruise ship was actually a lab supervisor, who may have handled a lab sample of Mr. Duncan.  Having worked in a hospital lab before, the potential for transmission to a lab worker is much, much less than it would be for a nurse providing hands-on care to Mr. Duncan. 

My sister-in-law WAS a lab technician in a private lab. She quit that line of work about 20 years ago because she considered the risk of infection from other blood-born pathogens unacceptably high. True, she was a tech rather than a supervisor, but the stuff is in the lab, and Murphy's Law always applies.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Cows don't buy fake documents or sneak across borders to get out of a hot zone. Nor would one be motivated to do whatever it takes to get a kid treated.


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[Hawkmoon]

Several African nations have shut this bastard down and are no longer "hot zones". 

I thought only three West African countries were "hot zones," and the rest of the nearby countries moved proactively to close their borders, which is why they aren't hot zones. Of the three that were initially clobbered, I believe only one has it under some semblance of control -- and that may only be due to under-reporting of new cases.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Yea and there is the 42 day incubation period wild card too. In some places they are so jacked up they are treating at home. That can cause under reporting of both cases and deaths


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[roo_ster]

Gotta remember, it is pretty much only white folks who count deaths/bodies in Africa.  Scare the white folks off and the bodies don't get counted.  And the white folks seem plenty scared of Liberia these days.

http://www.amazon.com/Out-Of-America-Confronts-Africa/dp/0465001882

[lupinus]

Cows don't buy fake documents or sneak across borders to get out of a hot zone. Nor would one be motivated to do whatever it takes to get a kid treated.


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What's a pass the snuff fake passport going for in Liberia these days? I'm guess than your average Liberian can shake.

And again we circle back to the fact that just because someone might through doesn't mean it won't stop a fair chunk.

[KD5NRH]

Cows don't buy fake documents or sneak across borders to get out of a hot zone. Nor would one be motivated to do whatever it takes to get a kid treated.

That's goatist!

[Jamisjockey]

The family of Duncan in Dallas has passed the 21 day incubation period.
While I still wonder how long they may have been exposed to waste in the house that might of had viable virus on it.....it would seem they are likely out of the woods.


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[KD5NRH]

The family of Duncan in Dallas has passed the 21 day incubation period.
While I still wonder how long they may have been exposed to waste in the house that might of had viable virus on it.....it would seem they are likely out of the woods.

Were they ever moved out of the apartment?  How well was the apartment actually sanitized?  Sure, the virus won't survive long out in the open, but how long can it live in a bit of semifluid waste buried in the corner of the carpet or similar.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

They were in the apt for 3 or 4 days with him sick and at least 3 days before they removed tge bedding and such. If anyone shoulda caught it they were the ones


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[Scout26]

http://accordingtohoyt.com/2014/10/19/a-fatal-eclipse-of-trust/

[charby]

Went to a DR appointment today, when I checked in they asked if I had been to the Ebola areas of Africa in the past 21 days or in close contact with people that have been there.

[Jamisjockey]

They were in the apt for 3 or 4 days with him sick and at least 3 days before they removed tge bedding and such. If anyone shoulda caught it they were the ones


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The length of contact only makes me question the timeline.  Do we really know their last exposure date?

Hopefully the nurses pull through and nobody gets it from that flight.



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[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Last exposure date I would feel good about is when they left the apt.
They should be outa quarantine now


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[MechAg94]

My question would be how long does the virus last outside the body.  I have heard some don't last long at all, but others can last a day or two. 

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

This one is fragile


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[charby]

My question would be how long does the virus last outside the body.  I have heard some don't last long at all, but others can last a day or two. 

From the CDC

How long does Ebola live outside the body?

Ebola is killed with hospital-grade disinfectants (such as household bleach). Ebola dried on surfaces such as doorknobs and countertops can survive for several hours; however, virus in body fluids (such as blood) can survive up to several days at room temperature.

I read somewhere that Ebola can be viable for 3-4 days in dead people who were infected.

[Fly320s]

From the CDC

I read somewhere that Ebola can be viable for 3-4 days in dead people who were infected.

The beginning of the Undead.

[vaskidmark]

My question would be how long does the virus last outside the body.  I have heard some don't last long at all, but others can last a day or two. 

Cannot remember which scare-the-crap-out-of-you source it was, but somebody has suggested that Ebola can live for several months in the semen/sperm of a man who has had and beaten Ebola.

Anybody want to ask that Doc that beat death if he tested his semen/sperm before he went and celebrated beating death?

And just to add more paranoia - can Ebola live in a woman's eggs?  And if so, would a child born from that fertilized egg be capable of transmitting the virus even if it had developed antibodies during the pregnancy?

stay safe.

[KD5NRH]

Cannot remember which scare-the-crap-out-of-you source it was, but somebody has suggested that Ebola can live for several months in the semen/sperm of a man who has had and beaten Ebola.

60 days IIRC.