Ebola: first case has been confirmed in the US

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Or using "the judge" as a source. That was traumatic


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[cassandra and sara's daddy]

So currently the legal deal is nothing's changed. The tried and the judge told em know. She worked out a compromise   following the same guidelines as before. The same ones followed by the who as well as the cdc


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[cassandra and sara's daddy]

IANAE, but if a large group of people are all possibly exposed at roughly the same time, then all quarantined together, don't the odds say that at least one of those people were exposed and the close proximity to others because of the quarantine makes it easier for all to catch it?  Is this a government anti-military conspiracy?  (this is only partially tongue-in-cheek. )

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But but but!
Why bring good sense into this when the fear is visibly percolating. But it's not all bad lots of bloggers flogging it as hard as they can


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[tokugawa]

imagine if the government actually did what it was formed for.

 I don't know if anybody here ever did any risk management. I have not, never went to school, none of that- but from fishing and logging and high voltage and machine tools etc I did learn a little bit over the years. Maybe someone else can chime in who has been schooled on this.
 
 what I figured out-

 There are low risk, low probability events- these you don't worry about too much.
 There are low risk, high probability events- so wear your safety glasses. etc.
 There are high risk, high probability events- don't go there.
 There are high risk, low probability events, which are wise to protect against if there is in fact anything you can do about them- not much way to protect against a solar flare or an earthquake.

 And there are high risk, unknown probability events- like Ebola- OK, fine, it does not look like much now in the US- but IF it gets out, we could have a devastating event.
 Disregarding the risk, with so many unknowns, with this sort of potential result, is stupidity.  
  
 I just read a quote today from Bastiat, written a few hundred years ago, , to the effect of how the socialists, when challenged on the extent of government control , immediately revert to how the conservatives want no government at all. This sounds just like some of you folks.  I hear it all the time, it is a standard refrain from the left. Don't like some of the ever increasing idiotic pollution standards? Oh, you must favor putting pouring pesticides in the water supply. Don't like gun control, Oh, you want babies to have machine guns.  
 You want some consistency? We don't like the tsa because they are incompetent nit wits.  And we don't like what the CDC and the national government are doing WRT Ebola, because it has been demonstrated they are incompetent nitwits.
 Now because of the demonstrated stupidity and obfuscation by the CDC, we happen to think that if there is a virus floating around in parts of the world that has the ability to turn your insides into bleeding jelly and have you puking it up and squirting out your ass, that maybe it would be best to stop that from getting here.
  We have been so lucky it is near blasphemy to throw away the grace we have been shown so far.
  
  
 

[Boomhauer]

Your comfort over the rule of law?  How's that work? I think it's hilarious watching the same folk who think tsa is de debil are so willing to lean the other way here.
Wasn't there some noise about not sacrificing liberty for safety?
Heck they killed 3000 folks with planes we are still at 0 dead Americans 



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Do you just enjoy being *expletive deleted*ing obtuse?

imagine if the government actually did what it was formed for.

 I don't know if anybody here ever did any risk management. I have not, never went to school, none of that- but from fishing and logging and high voltage and machine tools etc I did learn a little bit over the years. Maybe someone else can chime in who has been schooled on this.
 
 what I figured out-

 There are low risk, low probability events- these you don't worry about too much.
 There are low risk, high probability events- so wear your safety glasses. etc.
 There are high risk, high probability events- don't go there.
 There are high risk, low probability events, which are wise to protect against if there is in fact anything you can do about them- not much way to protect against a solar flare or an earthquake.

 And there are high risk, unknown probability events- like Ebola- OK, fine, it does not look like much now in the US- but IF it gets out, we could have a devastating event.
 Disregarding the risk, with so many unknowns, with this sort of potential result, is stupidity. 
 
 I just read a quote today from Bastiat, written a few hundred years ago, , to the effect of how the socialists, when challenged on the extent of government control , immediately revert to how the conservatives want no government at all. This sounds just like some of you folks.  I hear it all the time, it is a standard refrain from the left. Don't like some of the ever increasing idiotic pollution standards? Oh, you must favor putting pouring pesticides in the water supply. Don't like gun control, Oh, you want babies to have machine guns. 
 You want some consistency? We don't like the tsa because they are incompetent nit wits.  And we don't like what the CDC and the national government are doing WRT Ebola, because it has been demonstrated they are incompetent nitwits.
 Now because of the demonstrated stupidity and obfuscation by the CDC, we happen to think that if there is a virus floating around in parts of the world that has the ability to turn your insides into bleeding jelly and have you puking it up and squirting out your ass, that maybe it would be best to stop that from getting here.
  We have been so lucky it is near blasphemy to throw away the grace we have been shown so far.

I actually have some matter of education in regards to infectious diseases. Let's just say I don't place much stock in the reassurences of the CDC and self-important medical professhiunials who think they are too good to be in quarantine after having contact with Ebola patients. It's only *expletive deleted*ing sensible to be in isolation after exposure to a virus like that, plus use actual effective, appropriate PPE.

Nor do I place any stock in internet "experts" who say Ebola is not the threat it appears to be. It is a threat, and the only advantage we have is good medical facilities, compared to the normal environment it breaks out in. Yet, we have everybody throwing common sense out the damn window and going full on stupid and acting like *expletive deleted*ing idiots around this stuff, not using proper PPE, going out into public after having contact with known Ebola patients, and so on. That loose, cowboy attitude towards this disease is just DAMN STUPID.


In a conversation with some older folks, I was reminded of the start and spread of AIDS. Back then, when it was confined largely to the druggies and gays when it hit the states, there were certain people who felt that it would never get the exposure needed because by and large few in mainstream America cared about them...so some took it upon themselves to deliberately infect Mainstream America for increased attention. Makes me wonder if that isn't an objective of the Federal response to Ebola..."Nobody cares about Africans dying, so it's time for Americans to find out about it!"

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Who infected mainstream America to generate attention ? I am most curious to hear this one





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[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Nother doc http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2014/10/29/california-stanford-surgeon-under-modified-quarantine-in-san-mateo-county-after-returning-from-liberia/


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[roo_ster]

Who infected mainstream America to generate attention ? I am most curious to hear this one
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The method used to infect others was a refusal to follow the standard protocols for other sexually transmitted diseases.  Because getting off was more important to them than not infecting and killing more people.  I would not call it a conspiracy, just sick folk unwilling to discipline themselves to not harm others. 

It was quite the interesting time, not knowing if a blood transfusion would eventually kill you from AIDS.  And seeing nearly all the hemophiliacs contract and die form AIDS since their meds required blood products from a multitude of donors.  I knew, casually via school, a boy that died from all that mess.  A "mainstream" victim to homicidally narcissistic homosexuals and their political enablers.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

You familiar with the clotting factor scandal?


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[cassandra and sara's daddy]

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/22/business/2-paths-of-bayer-drug-in-80-s-riskier-one-steered-overseas.html


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[cassandra and sara's daddy]

http://www.hemophiliafed.org/news-stories/2014/03/questions-and-answers/


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[tokugawa]

It was quite the interesting time, not knowing if a blood transfusion would eventually kill you from AIDS.  And seeing nearly all the hemophiliacs contract and die form AIDS since their meds required blood products from a multitude of donors.  I knew, casually via school, a boy that died from all that mess.  A "mainstream" victim to homicidally narcissistic homosexuals and their political enablers.

I worked with a guy who got aids this way.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

I had a roommate catch it like that. Ironic too. He dodged the bullet while shooting dope then got hurt in the military and got it from a transfusion.


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[Hawkmoon]

It was quite the interesting time, not knowing if a blood transfusion would eventually kill you from AIDS.  And seeing nearly all the hemophiliacs contract and die form AIDS since their meds required blood products from a multitude of donors.  I knew, casually via school, a boy that died from all that mess.  A "mainstream" victim to homicidally narcissistic homosexuals and their political enablers.

So did tennis star Arthur Ashe. IIRC, he contracted AIDS from a blood transfusion.

[RocketMan]

A second person is being monitored in Oregon, now.  She recently returned from West Africa, and presented herself at a Milwaukie, OR hospital with a 102° fever.  Folks that were living with her are in a voluntary quarantine.
The first person went through a 21 day quarantine and was released after no symptoms developed.

[Boomhauer]

Folks that were living with her are in a voluntary quarantine.

I'm glad that there are people that don't have Special Snowflake syndrome like some people and are willing to isolate themselves to be on the safe side.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

http://www.opb.org/news/article/oregon-aligns-quarantine-rules-with-cdc/
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has updated its recommendations for dealing with Ebola a number of times.

The latest recommendations were released Monday.

Paul Lewis is the public health officer for Multnomah, Clackamas and Washington Counties. He told OPB’s Think Out Loud that local and state officials are trying to align Oregon’s guidelines and laws with the new CDC recommendations.

“And they’re very very similar in spirit in that it actually stratifies people as being at very high risk, such as health care workers who’ve actually been poked by needles. Versus low risk people who happen to have been in one of the affected countries, weren’t sick themselves and had no contact,” he said.

“Those at the higher risk are put in voluntary home quarantine with twice daily monitoring for illness. Those at the very low risk do the ongoing monitoring, but unless there are exceptional circumstances, their activities are not limited.”



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[TommyGunn]

Has anyone of the experts determined yet how it can be that if you're on a bus with someone who has ebola you can't get it, but, if you have ebola and are on a bus, you might be giving other people ebola? 

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

No ebola in Oregon
http://www.oregonlive.com/health/index.ssf/2014/11/test_on_liberian_woman_hospita.html


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[vaskidmark]

Peter has a few comments about the situation.  http://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2014/11/ebola-update.html

He's not going to make any libertarians happy.

stay safe.

[zxcvbob]

Peter has a few comments about the situation.  http://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2014/11/ebola-update.html

He's not going to make any libertarians happy.

stay safe.

What part am I supposed to be unhappy about?  The mandatory quarantines?

[vaskidmark]

What part am I supposed to be unhappy about?  The mandatory quarantines?

I was thinking more like the "shackle them to the walls and shoot them if they escape" part.

stay safe.

[Hawkmoon]

Peter has a few comments about the situation.  http://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2014/11/ebola-update.html

He's not going to make any libertarians happy.

I consider myself pretty much a libertarian, and I think he makes perfect sense. I don't think libertarians are diametrically opposed to common sense.

[Hawkmoon]

I was thinking more like the "shackle them to the walls and shoot them if they escape" part.

I would regard that as closely akin to suicide by cop ...

[BobR]

And on another EEEbolaaa front, my friend in Dallas who took care of one of the positive nurses has passed her 21 day state/federal imposed quarantine. During this time she was also placed on the no-fly list and I think that will come back to haunt her for many years to come. I told her she needs to stay in the US for a few years just in case. I am sure they would let her out of the country and only discover she on the no-fly list when she tries to return, in typical government fashion.

On another note, she has let her cat turn her thermometer into a toy, I told her to put it on Ebay as a genuine EEEbola thermometer, only used for 21 days. Somebody is sure to snatch it up.

bob