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Re: Grand Jury has a verdict in Ferguson
« Reply #50 on: November 24, 2014, 11:10:55 PM »
Times Square has been shut down by what appears to be a so far peaceful protest. On the other hand, Oakland, CA, looks to be getting trashed. Looting selfies from Ferguson are popping up on the web like flies on *expletive deleted*it.
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Re: Grand Jury has a verdict in Ferguson
« Reply #51 on: November 24, 2014, 11:54:36 PM »
Times Square has been shut down by what appears to be a so far peaceful protest. On the other hand, Oakland, CA, looks to be getting trashed. Looting selfies from Ferguson are popping up on the web like flies on *expletive deleted* it.

It's Oakland.  That shithole was trashed a LOOOOOOOOOONG time ago.  This is just Tuesday Monday for them.... :rofl:
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Re: Grand Jury has a verdict in Ferguson
« Reply #52 on: November 25, 2014, 12:15:50 AM »
I am in San Jose on business and I was going to drive to SanFran in the morning and look at the Golden Gate Bridge. I am very white and dress like it,  and unarmed. Should I be concerned about self preservation or should I be ok at 6-9am?
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Re: Grand Jury has a verdict in Ferguson
« Reply #53 on: November 25, 2014, 12:44:12 AM »
Well, from the sounds of it, traffic in that area is kind of fouled up for the moment.
I'd check the news before taking off.
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Re: Grand Jury has a verdict in Ferguson
« Reply #54 on: November 25, 2014, 12:51:45 AM »
I am in San Jose on business and I was going to drive to SanFran in the morning and look at the Golden Gate Bridge. I am very white and dress like it,  and unarmed. Should I be concerned about self preservation or should I be ok at 6-9am?

The drive to S.F. up the peninsula should be uneventful.  Stay out of the nastier parts of the city (Tenderloin, Bayview/Hunter's Point) and you'll be OK.
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Re: Grand Jury has a verdict in Ferguson
« Reply #55 on: November 25, 2014, 12:59:28 AM »
At least one building on fire.  Too many gunshots to fight the fire so it will burn itself out.
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Re: Grand Jury has a verdict in Ferguson
« Reply #56 on: November 25, 2014, 07:01:49 AM »
It's a pretty common way to describe it. And considering the old saw about being able to indict a ham sandwich it's telling that they failed.

On top of that, they didn't need a unanimous decision to return an indictment -- they only needed nine votes. And this wasn't to determine guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, this was only to find probable cause (enough evidence to show that there should even be a trial).
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Re: Grand Jury has a verdict in Ferguson
« Reply #57 on: November 25, 2014, 07:29:44 AM »
At this time, I would like to thank the folks who came into town to teach people how to protest. That worked out great.
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Re: Grand Jury has a verdict in Ferguson
« Reply #58 on: November 25, 2014, 07:30:36 AM »
I think anything short of a murder one or equivalent would have had the same results.
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Re: Grand Jury has a verdict in Ferguson
« Reply #59 on: November 25, 2014, 07:51:04 AM »
Y'all see this yet?

http://fox8.com/2014/11/23/12-year-old-boy-shot-by-police-officer-outside-rec-center-has-died/

Paraphrased,  Police get called to rec center for a "man with gun" complaint.  Cops show up,  and order the kid (that caused the call, from waving a gun shaped object about)  to put his hands up.  Kid reaches for (pellet) gun in his waistband instead,  and the cops go with the only logical response.  Dumb kid gets dead,  and his parents hire a tilecrawler,  and we're off to the races.  Pun intended.

Great timing, this can't end well.

Apparently that whole incident was captured by a CCTV camera, so perhaps what happened in Ferguson wont happen here.
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Re: Grand Jury has a verdict in Ferguson
« Reply #60 on: November 25, 2014, 07:54:44 AM »
I think anything short of a murder one or equivalent would have had the same results.

Even that wouldn't matter, they just would be looting and burning in celebration instead of protest -- and it would look the same.  That's what they do.
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Re: Grand Jury has a verdict in Ferguson
« Reply #61 on: November 25, 2014, 09:22:32 AM »
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rabble

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1 rab·ble noun \ˈra-bəl\  
a large group of loud people who could become violent

the rabble : ordinary or common people who do not have a lot of money, power, or social status

Full Definition of RABBLE
1  a disorganized or confused collection of things
2  a disorganized or disorderly crowd of people; mob  
3  the lowest class of people

Examples of RABBLE

<the crown prince was reminded that even the rabble of the realm deserved his attention and compassion>

Origin of RABBLE

Middle English rabel pack of animals
First Known Use: 14th century
 
Related to RABBLE

Synonyms: proletariat, rabblement, ragtag and bobtail, riffraff, rout, scum, tag, rag, and bobtail (or tagrag and bobtail), trash, unwashed

Antonyms: A-list, aristocracy, elite, gentry, quality, society, upper class, upper crust

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Re: Grand Jury has a verdict in Ferguson
« Reply #62 on: November 25, 2014, 10:04:43 AM »
Got to think that even if the criminal portion of this BS is over there is going to be a civil case brought against the officer, the Ferguson PD, the Ferguson City, the State and anyone else the family thinks they can get money from.

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Re: Grand Jury has a verdict in Ferguson
« Reply #63 on: November 25, 2014, 10:12:10 AM »
I expect the feds to go after Wilson  on some kind of civil rights charge.
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Re: Grand Jury has a verdict in Ferguson
« Reply #64 on: November 25, 2014, 10:14:44 AM »
Nothing says "We're gonna protest being treated like trashy ghetto stereotypes" quite so effectvely as destroying your own neighborhood like trashy ghetto stereotypes. Well done, Ferguson protesters. Well done. A bunch of back-alley thugs living down to expectations. Enjoy the results. You earned it.

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Re: Grand Jury has a verdict in Ferguson
« Reply #65 on: November 25, 2014, 11:32:37 AM »
Nothing says "We're gonna protest being treated like trashy ghetto stereotypes" quite so effectvely as destroying your own neighborhood like trashy ghetto stereotypes. Well done, Ferguson protesters. Well done. A bunch of back-alley thugs living down to expectations. Enjoy the results. You earned it.

Yup.  Best thing to do would be to set up a perimeter, then enforce it.  For at least a few weeks.  Both ways.

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Re: Grand Jury has a verdict in Ferguson
« Reply #66 on: November 25, 2014, 12:03:06 PM »
It's a pretty common way to describe it. And considering the old saw about being able to indict a ham sandwich it's telling that they failed.

It's far, far harder to indict a police officer though - not only do they get premium representation through their union or similar structure, they also know the system and have personal relationships with those that would do the prosecuting.

Dumb kid gets dead,  and his parents hire a tilecrawler,  and we're off to the races.  Pun intended.

Personally, I think I'd be hiring a lawyer no matter what, just because I'm not in the best state of mind after my kid gets killed(his fault or not) and I need advice.  Plus, said representation can better work with the police to make sure the investigation is done right, and what can be done is done.  Even if that doesn't mean money for me.

BTW, where does using "tile crawler" for a lawyer come from?

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Re: Grand Jury has a verdict in Ferguson
« Reply #67 on: November 25, 2014, 12:04:26 PM »
Nothing says "We're gonna protest being treated like trashy ghetto stereotypes" quite so effectvely as destroying your own neighborhood like trashy ghetto stereotypes. Well done, Ferguson protesters. Well done. A bunch of back-alley thugs living down to expectations. Enjoy the results. You earned it.

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I saw a "woman in the street" interview with a black lady who was critical of the violence. (Well dressed and well spoken, she didn't seem to be a rioter.) With the backdrop of a burning auto service center, she said she was disappointed that she'll have to go into the next town for auto service and a lot of other things, since the businesses being burned probably won't rebuild; she said people were destroying their own neighborhoods and only hurting themselves by this vandalism.

I guess they just weren't taught you don't cr@p where you live or sleep.  :facepalm:

And . . . where the heck were all the police and National Guardsmen that were supposedly mobilized by the "state of emergency" which was declared a couple of days ago? (Probably ordered to "stand down" and not engage in "racist" actions against the protest.)

Why didn't any of the vulnerable small businesses take the necessary steps to defend themselves? I can see why the employees of chain stores wouldn't put themselves on the line for their corporate owners, but you'd think that after the first round of Ferguson Follies a couple of months ago most small business owners would realize that they were going to be pretty much on their own . . . (maybe they just moved inventory out and increased their insurance, figuring they'll use the money they collect to MOVE somewhere more civilized.)
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Re: Grand Jury has a verdict in Ferguson
« Reply #68 on: November 25, 2014, 12:16:24 PM »
These riots are a media creation. The mainstream media loves riots. I read an article where it was called 'riot porn'.

As progressive left wing as the media is they sure don't have a problem encouraging behaviors that feed into racial stereotypes.
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Re: Grand Jury has a verdict in Ferguson
« Reply #69 on: November 25, 2014, 12:18:21 PM »
I think anything short of a murder one or equivalent would have had the same results.

Pretty much. And then the circus would have rebooted around calling for (demanding) a conviction. It's obvious to an objective outsider (as opposed to imported "organizer") that Michael Brown HAD his justice. People who were there and witnessed the event (which did not include his parents) told the grand jury what hapened, and the grand jury made a decision. That's what justice is in this country. "Justice" is not a lynch mob deciding ahead of time what the result "should" be based on the color of the skin of the protagonists.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2848827/Burn-b-emotional-reaction-Michael-Brown-s-family-repeatedly-called-calm-ultimately-not-hide-anger.html

It didn't take long for their true colors to come out. After months of calling for calm, during which time they no doubt expected that the grand jury would be intimidated into indicting, post-decision the stepfather said "Burn this bitch down." If I'm not mistaken, that's a gang sign he's flashing in one photo:



Look at Mommy's and step-daddy's outfits. It's painfully obvious that Michael Brown grew up in a ghetto, gangsta culture. As usual, they try to distort the case by showing images (see step-daddy's sweat shirt) showing the punk as if he was the valedictorian of his high school class.

The president's remarks were nothing but a disgrace. He must have worked for weeks on that text. Masterfully appealing for calm while making insinuations that the "system" is flawed, that the grand jury screwed up, and there's something that needs to be "fixed." (Other than the ghetto mentality, of course, which El Presidente won't openly throw under the bus because they are who elected him.)
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Re: Grand Jury has a verdict in Ferguson
« Reply #70 on: November 25, 2014, 12:21:08 PM »
Yup.  Best thing to do would be to set up a perimeter, then enforce it.  For at least a few weeks.  Both ways.

Get it on camera. "Escape from Ferguson." Brown's stepfather can reprise Snake Pliskin's role.
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Re: Grand Jury has a verdict in Ferguson
« Reply #71 on: November 25, 2014, 12:23:41 PM »
It's far, far harder to indict a police officer though - not only do they get premium representation through their union or similar structure, they also know the system and have personal relationships with those that would do the prosecuting.

Unless the grand jury system is different in Missouri, the defendant does not get to be represented. That's why it would be possible to indict a ham sandwich. A grand jury is not a trial, it's only a determination of probable cause.

Personally, I think I'd be hiring a lawyer no matter what, just because I'm not in the best state of mind after my kid gets killed(his fault or not) and I need advice.  Plus, said representation can better work with the police to make sure the investigation is done right, and what can be done is done.  Even if that doesn't mean money for me.

They did hire a lawyer, and the investigation apparently was done right. I don't think the grand jury made their decision the first day and then spent the rest of the time until yesterday playing pinochle. The problem is that, after "what can be done" has been done, the result was that the punk committed suicide by cop and the bereaved parents aren't willing to accept that.

Actually, has anyone heard from Michael Brown's real father since the verdict? The news is saying that "the family" is now calling for "justice" (even though they have it but choose not to accept reality), but I don't recall ever seeing or hearing anything about stepdaddy before the decision. Suddenly he's in the forefront of calling for anarchy and revolution. I wonder how Michael Brown, Sr., is reacting. He's probably accepting the decision quietly, whcih won't be reported because it doesn't make for salable news.
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Re: Grand Jury has a verdict in Ferguson
« Reply #72 on: November 25, 2014, 12:27:14 PM »
As progressive left wing as the media is they sure don't have a problem encouraging behaviors that feed into racial stereotypes.

Yup. Just look at the difference between the CNN and Fox breaking headlines from last night:

http://twitchy.com/2014/11/25/bias-much-stunning-contrast-between-cnn-and-fnc-ferguson-news-alerts-screenshot/
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Re: Grand Jury has a verdict in Ferguson
« Reply #73 on: November 25, 2014, 12:38:12 PM »
The continual attempts to portray the punk as a "teen ager" disgust me. He was 18 years old and, apparently (based on stepdaddy's sweat shirt), a high school graduate. In my book, that makes him an adult, even though numerically he was still (marginally) in his teens. At 18, he was old enough to enlist in the military and old enough to be prosecuted as an adult for any crimes he might have committed.
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Re: Grand Jury has a verdict in Ferguson
« Reply #74 on: November 25, 2014, 12:59:38 PM »
Apparently that whole incident was captured by a CCTV camera, so perhaps what happened in Ferguson wont happen here.

I sincerely hope so.  A good, clean video of a righteous shoot would go a long way to defusing some of the stupid being kicked around.

It's far, far harder to indict a police officer though - not only do they get premium representation through their union or similar structure, they also know the system and have personal relationships with those that would do the prosecuting.

Personally, I think I'd be hiring a lawyer no matter what, just because I'm not in the best state of mind after my kid gets killed(his fault or not) and I need advice.  Plus, said representation can better work with the police to make sure the investigation is done right, and what can be done is done.  Even if that doesn't mean money for me.

BTW, where does using "tile crawler" for a lawyer come from?

I can see the logic.   As to the etymology of "tile crawler",  I'm unsure.  Lawdog has used it in the past as a derogatory term for the sleazier defense attorneys in his stories.  
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