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"Fahrenheit 451" and the SJWs
« on: February 24, 2016, 11:33:02 AM »
I was reading an article this morning about our current "offended society". The author quoted some passages from "Fahrenheit 451". It's been at least thirty years since I read the book. I need to reread it again. I would have never guessed three decades ago that it would be such a prescient work.

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“You must understand that our civilization is so vast that we can’t have our minorities upset and stirred. Ask yourself, What do we want in this country above all? People want to be happy, isn’t that right?…Colored people don’t like Little Black Sambo. Burn it. White people don’t feel good about Uncle Tom’s Cabin. Burn it. Someone’s written a book on tobacco and cancer of the lungs? The cigarette people are weeping? Burn the book. Serenity, Montag. Peace, Montag. Take your fight outside. Better yet, to the incinerator.”


And regarding "minorities", I agree with the article's author about what Bradbury meant:

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And before you get offended, let’s clarify what Bradbury means by minorities. He’s not talking about race. He’s talking about it in the same way that Madison and Hamilton did in the Federalist Papers. He’s speaking about small, interested groups who try to force the rest of the majority to adhere to the minority’s set of beliefs.
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Re: "Fahrenheit 451" and the SJWs
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2016, 11:40:51 AM »
Almost picked that book up for my son a week or so ago. He was looking for a book to read, and ran out of whatever current young adult series he was reading, so I picked him up 'Alas Babylon.'


But yeah, I have noticed the ramped up efforts of censorship by the left on twitter and other places.
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Re: "Fahrenheit 451" and the SJWs
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2016, 11:45:32 AM »
It's been at least thirty years since I read the book. I need to reread it again.

Well, you could always just read the Cliff Notes.  They're roughly as long as the actual book.

Seems ironic that Cliff Notes even exist for that particular book, too.  I'm waiting for "Harrison Bergeron For Dummies" to hit the shelves.

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Re: "Fahrenheit 451" and the SJWs
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2016, 02:33:44 PM »
I had an English professor who once pointed out that fiction has a somewhat creepy tendency to foreshadow the future, but you usually don't see it until decades after the fact.

Well, you could always just read the Cliff Notes.  They're roughly as long as the actual book.

Seems ironic that Cliff Notes even exist for that particular book, too.  I'm waiting for "Harrison Bergeron For Dummies" to hit the shelves.

Text of "Harrison Bergeron For Dummies" :

Forcing people to be "equal" is BAD. mmmmKay?

the end
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Re: "Fahrenheit 451" and the SJWs
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2016, 03:24:40 PM »

Seems ironic that Cliff Notes even exist for that particular book, too.  I'm waiting for "Harrison Bergeron For Dummies" to hit the shelves.

Isn't that the DNC platform?
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« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2016, 03:25:51 PM »
Isn't that the DNC platform?

No. The DNC platform is the "How too" version.
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Re: "Fahrenheit 451" and the SJWs
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2016, 03:31:44 PM »
Well, you could always just read the Cliff Notes.  They're roughly as long as the actual book.

Seems ironic that Cliff Notes even exist for that particular book, too.  I'm waiting for "Harrison Bergeron For Dummies" to hit the shelves.

"Harrison Bergeron" is the Cliffs Notes for "Equality: The Impossible Quest," by Martin Van Creveld.

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Re: "Fahrenheit 451" and the SJWs
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2016, 04:25:11 PM »
Almost picked that book up for my son a week or so ago. He was looking for a book to read, and ran out of whatever current young adult series he was reading, so I picked him up 'Alas Babylon.'


But yeah, I have noticed the ramped up efforts of censorship by the left on twitter and other places.
Censorship from right and left.
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Re: "Fahrenheit 451" and the SJWs
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2016, 04:33:58 PM »
Censorship from right and left.


Censorship from the right? Examples?
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« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2016, 04:35:13 PM »

But yeah, I have noticed the ramped up efforts of censorship by the left on twitter and other places.

Yeah, apparently Twitter is quite out of control right now with the right leaning / conservative censuring and banning. Between that and their stock nosediving, I have to wonder how long they'll still be around, at least in their present form. The part of their community screaming for censure of opposing views is very vocal, but I'm guessing SJWs are a fairly small segment of the Twitter population.
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Re: "Fahrenheit 451" and the SJWs
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2016, 04:37:02 PM »

Censorship from the right? Examples?

Censorship from the right is a meme with zero backing that just won't die.
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« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2016, 05:04:47 PM »
Doesn't the right have an anti-obscenity thing going on, and try to stop porn and strip clubs?
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« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2016, 05:14:36 PM »
Yeah, there's a subset of the Rs that is not fond of the masturbation industry at all.
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Re: "Fahrenheit 451" and the SJWs
« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2016, 05:25:05 PM »
Doesn't the right have an anti-obscenity thing going on, and try to stop porn and strip clubs?


 ???  I haven't seen much of it lately. Not sure that counts as censorship, of course.
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Re: "Fahrenheit 451" and the SJWs
« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2016, 05:28:38 PM »

Censorship from the right? Examples?
Books from public schools; teaching sex ed, masterbation as alternative to sex, use of birthcontrol; talking about gay marriage; probably more but this what I can think of off the top of my head.
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« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2016, 05:30:14 PM »

 ???  I haven't seen much of it lately. Not sure that counts as censorship, of course.
Left probably feels the same way about the items we feel are being censored about.
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Re: "Fahrenheit 451" and the SJWs
« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2016, 06:05:10 PM »
Books from public schools; teaching sex ed, masterbation as alternative to sex, use of birthcontrol; talking about gay marriage; probably more but this what I can think of off the top of my head.
Thats true... along with trying to censor library computers from porn, plus the right doesn't like kiddie porn either....
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Re: "Fahrenheit 451" and the SJWs
« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2016, 06:11:16 PM »
Being against exposing minors to images, concepts and (im)moralities contrary to their families values is not censorship as in F451.
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« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2016, 06:12:56 PM »
plus the right doesn't like kiddie porn either....

I think most of the left would also agree
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Re: "Fahrenheit 451" and the SJWs
« Reply #19 on: February 24, 2016, 06:14:42 PM »
I don't know why I didn't post it in the OP, but here is the URL to the article:

http://observer.com/2015/09/the-real-reason-we-need-to-stop-trying-to-protect-everyones-feelings/
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« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2016, 06:15:07 PM »
Being against exposing minors to images, concepts and (im)moralities contrary to their families values is not censorship as in F451.
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« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2016, 06:24:43 PM »
Being against exposing minors to images, concepts and (im)moralities contrary to their families values is not censorship as in F451.

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Re: "Fahrenheit 451" and the SJWs
« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2016, 06:31:01 PM »
The education of my child(ren) is my responsibility, not the state's...
But, but, but who is going toindoctrinate teach them about the health and emotional benefits of sweaty man on man sex? That kind of responsibility can't be allowed in the realm of the individual, its too important to the hive.
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Re: "Fahrenheit 451" and the SJWs
« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2016, 08:57:59 PM »
Books from public schools; teaching sex ed, masterbation as alternative to sex, use of birthcontrol; talking about gay marriage; probably more but this what I can think of off the top of my head.


I can't tell if you're talking only about public schools/libraries, or if you're claiming the right wants to censor, say, privately-run websites. If the former, you're talking about .gov censoring itself. I'm not sure that is a thing.



The education of my child(ren) is my responsibility, not the state's...

Folks could take that a couple of different ways.  ???
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« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2016, 11:32:46 PM »

I can't tell if you're talking only about public schools/libraries, or if you're claiming the right wants to censor, say, privately-run websites. If the former, you're talking about .gov censoring itself. I'm not sure that is a thing.


Public Schools and Libraries is what I am referring too. Websites can reject material but not people, i.e. Facebook can prohibit gun sales, but can't ban Baptists. A bakery can prohibit carrying a firearm on premises but can't ban gay people, yes it is a private business but the are open to the public.

Parents have a choice to send their kids to public schools or private or homeschool. If parents are really worried about protecting their kids from "immoral" things, they would never let them ride the school bus or play unsupervised with their peers.
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