Vegas strip mass shooting!

[Ben]

The Daily Sun quotes the perpetrator's brother as 'just a normal guy who must have snapped'.  No known political or religious affiliation as per the brother.

I don't want to say a lot about this myself just right now because of the magnitude of the event and the overwhelming reporting on it that may be 70% or more inaccurate. I would only say that "snapped" is something one might attribute to someone who grabs a couple of guns (or bombs or a car or...) and goes out without any real planning.

This is something that I think would take a significant amount of planning. Not only to get the room with a vantage point, but getting the (reported) ten or so long guns and ammo into the room, plus setting up a surveillance system (as reported), plus having a means to take out the hotel room window. Those things are tough. I would submit he did some planning.

[T.O.M.]

A little research shows that the concert was being held at a location across the street from the Luxor.  Pull up Google Maps and you can see the stage.  It has a green roof and a couple of sets of bleachers in front of it.  Looks like it is about 400-500 yards from the Mandalay.  Looks like there is very little cover in the area, fenced in on all four sides, with a 5'-6' brick wall between the venue and Las Vegas Blvd.  Proverbial fish in a barrel.  Add in a heavy crowd, and it's no wonder casualties are high.

[Jamisjockey]

The antifa thing has 0 credibility.  A group in Australia claiming responsibility? 
antifa isn't isis...yet.

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The Daily Sun quotes the perpetrator's brother as 'just a normal guy who must have snapped'.  No known political or religious affiliation as per the brother.

I don't want to say a lot about this myself just right now because of the magnitude of the event and the overwhelming reporting on it that may be 70% or more inaccurate. I would only say that "snapped" is something one might attribute to someone who grabs a couple of guns (or bombs or a car or...) and goes out without any real planning.

This is something that I think would take a significant amount of planning. Not only to get the room with a vantage point, but getting the (reported) ten or so long guns and ammo into the room, plus setting up a surveillance system (as reported), plus having a means to take out the hotel room window. Those things are tough. I would submit he did some planning.

People can snap and then plan some insane *expletive deleted*it. 

[T.O.M.]

I don't want to say a lot about this myself just right now because of the magnitude of the event and the overwhelming reporting on it that may be 70% or more inaccurate. I would only say that "snapped" is something one might attribute to someone who grabs a couple of guns (or bombs or a car or...) and goes out without any real planning.

This is something that I think would take a significant amount of planning. Not only to get the room with a vantage point, but getting the (reported) ten or so long guns and ammo into the room, plus setting up a surveillance system (as reported), plus having a means to take out the hotel room window. Those things are tough. I would submit he did some planning.

Agreed on the planning.  I'm guessing that getting a room facing the strip, especially during such a big event, took some advance reservations and some significant funds.  Hauling guns and ammo into the room probably took some effort, but given the amount of luggage I saw being hauled around by some people in Vegas, it wouldn't be impossible.  The allegations of surveillance gear around the room, now that raises an eyebrow.  Most of the Vegas hotels have pretty sophisticated security, even outside of the casinos.  And, getting it set up in the hallways with no one seeing/questioning him, that took some luck, some money to buy people off, or as Ben suggests more planning.

[freakazoid]

The antifa thing has 0 credibility.  A group in Australia claiming responsibility? 
antifa isn't isis...yet.

People can snap and then plan some insane *expletive deleted*it. 

Melbourne, FL

[Scout26]

Everything is speculation at this point, except for my sympathy and condolences to those killed or wounded and their families.

[Ben]

Melbourne, FL

Speculation I said I wasn't going to engage in, but apparently the shooter owned property there. On the other hand, it seems, excepting all the 40something year old "students" at Berkeley, antifa seems to cater to the young. The shooter could certainly end up having similar viewpoints to antifa, but I don't think there's a lot of old folks walking around in black clothes and masks. I'm curious to see what the separation of newscycle wheat from chaff is in the next 24 hours.

[Scout26]

How old was the Softball Shooter in DC ??

[Ben]

How old was the Softball Shooter in DC ??

Old, but not an antifa member.


A report on the TV just said LE reported that the distance was ~1700 feet, or around 560 yards. Definitely "spray and pray" range, though with a mass of people like that, once he found his range, I guess it didn't matter much. No report on if the "1700 feet" was to the middle of the crowd, edge, or what.

[RocketMan]

Associated Press says ISIS is claiming the shooter converted to Islam months ago.  Take it with a large grain of salt.  

[T.O.M.]

A report on the TV just said LE reported that the distance was ~1700 feet, or around 560 yards. Definitely "spray and pray" range, though with a mass of people like that, once he found his range, I guess it didn't matter much. No report on if the "1700 feet" was to the middle of the crowd, edge, or what.

Elevated position, 500 yards or so, full-auto, no return fire.  Fish in a barrel.

[Perd Hapley]

I'm sure I'm not the first to say this about mass killings, but here goes. To the extent the killers' actions are understandable, perhaps they're best understood as today's fashionable form of suicide. Carried out only by people so angry that they wish their last act on earth to be a giant, bloody middle finger extended in the face of the world that disappointed them.

[Brad Johnson]

At that range, given the shooter's elevation and size of the crowd, the difference between POI and POA would be inconsequential. Aim for crowd center and that's that. The poor bastards never stood a chance. May the SOB rot in hell for what he did.

Brad  

[Nick1911]

 

My heart goes out to those wounded and killed by this madman.

[freakazoid]

Not letting a good tragedy go to waste, I bring you Hillary Clinton's tweets. Stay classy you *expletive deleted*ing bitch. https://mobile.twitter.com/HillaryClinton?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

[Nightfall]

The crowd fled at the sound of gunshots. Imagine the deaths if the shooter had a silencer, which the NRA wants to make easier to get.

Our grief isn't enough. We can and must put politics aside, stand up to the NRA, and work together to try to stop this from happening again.

Because if the shooter had a "silencer," this would have been so much worse. Nobody would think to flee an area as people around them erupted with bloody holes, only the sounds of gunfire in the distance could warrant evacuation.

Sure, laws restricting machine gun possession didn't stop this. But pay no attention, laws about suppressor possession have magical preventative powers.  

[Fly320s]

60+ year old white guy.  Retired to Vegas.  Has lots of guns, apparently knows how to use them.  Odds are the murderer was a conservative/republican.

[Pb]

60+ year old white guy.  Retired to Vegas.  Has lots of guns, apparently knows how to use them.  Odds are the murderer was a conservative/republican.

Because conservatives want to massacre people at country music festival?  That's idiotic.   

We don't know his motives yet

[French G.]

You would think that after taking sniper fire in Bosnia she would know a suppressor does nothing to stop the crack of bullets going past you. My only experience with such is pulling pit duty for high power. It's a noise that makes you glad for all that dirt overhead.

[freakazoid]

60+ year old white guy.  Retired to Vegas.  Has lots of guns, apparently knows how to use them.  Odds are the murderer was a conservative/republican.

Except the guys associations are leftists.

[Perd Hapley]

Except the guys associations are leftists.

You might be thinking of the Asian lady's husband. The shooter, so far, has been identified as another individual.

[lupinus]

Something tells me if the dude was a die hard Republican who committed this atrocity wearing a make America great again cap we'd have known it in five seconds flat and would be hearing the fact non stop.

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[Ben]

Something tells me if the dude was a die hard Republican who committed this atrocity wearing a make America great again cap we'd have known it in five seconds flat and would be hearing the fact non stop.

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One has only to compare the news coverage of the two church shootings to know that you are right.

[RocketMan]

Something tells me if the dude was a die hard Republican who committed this atrocity wearing a make America great again cap we'd have known it in five seconds flat and would be hearing the fact non stop.

I'm surprised this narrative isn't already being spewed as fake news by the MSM.  They've done it before.

[RevDisk]

Something tells me if the dude was a die hard Republican who committed this atrocity wearing a make America great again cap we'd have known it in five seconds flat and would be hearing the fact non stop.

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I have a hard time imaging a die hard Republican shooting up a country music fest. So far, he hasn't tripped off... anything. No criminal background.

Death toll is up to 58, 406 injured.

Mrs Clinton commented: "Our grief isn't enough. We can and must put politics aside, stand up to the NRA, and work together to try to stop this from happening again."

I'm kinda in awe of someone in one sentence declaring we must put aside politics to make a political statement.