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When Armed Resistance to Tyranny is Appropriate
« on: October 19, 2019, 08:41:50 AM »

When Armed Resistance to Tyranny is Appropriate [ar15]
https://youtu.be/GFTkr5NGzEA
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Re: When Armed Resistance to Tyranny is Appropriate
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2019, 11:39:43 AM »

When in the course of human events and all that stuff.
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Re: When Armed Resistance to Tyranny is Appropriate
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2019, 03:22:35 PM »

Let's have a Boston D party !

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"You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time."

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Re: When Armed Resistance to Tyranny is Appropriate
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2019, 09:00:01 PM »

We're getting there......

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Re: When Armed Resistance to Tyranny is Appropriate
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2019, 03:21:10 PM »

We won't be shooting our way out of this mess.

That will just make a bigger mess.

Of course we have no control over "them" coming for "us" so there is that I guess.

Even defining "them and us" is tricky.

I agree though, the lines are getting clearer and things are definitely coming more and more to a point.

Personally, I think they'll just wait out the generation(s) that remember old America.

We'll die off and that will be that.

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Re: When Armed Resistance to Tyranny is Appropriate
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2019, 03:39:46 PM »

I agree with Ron.  It will take couple decades from now, but either America will have a spiritual revival to Constitutional Republicanism, the two political parties will be purged of it's statists/leftists/progtards or it will be a socialist mess once the the baby boomers die out.
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Re: When Armed Resistance to Tyranny is Appropriate
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2019, 04:00:12 PM »

Agree with Ron.

And after a few generations of unspeakable communist-pedoqueeenstoryhour horror, the spark will rekindle and freedom cycle will reset.
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Re: When Armed Resistance to Tyranny is Appropriate
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2019, 04:11:14 PM »

We're getting there......

No stomach for it here, from either side. People are still getting paid, laid, and have full bellies.
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Re: When Armed Resistance to Tyranny is Appropriate
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2019, 04:14:47 PM »

Whoever is running the show doesn't want to spark a 4th generation warfare uprising here in the states.

Much easier to just program the children in school, through the media and leveraging future employability to be more compliant.

Bread and circusis help also.
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Re: When Armed Resistance to Tyranny is Appropriate
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2019, 04:24:40 PM »

About once a year (on no particular date) I reread the story of the Battle of Athens (1946)  https://www.americanheritage.com/battle-athens  It's a reminder that tyranny can happen on a local level, and armed resistance is effective.
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Re: When Armed Resistance to Tyranny is Appropriate
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2019, 08:05:05 PM »

No stomach for it here, from either side. People are still getting paid, laid, and have full bellies.
That is true.  The current system has a lot of momentum largely due to that.  If we get to the point where leftists run things, it will head downhill.  Hard to say how fast.  It could be as fast as Venezuela, but it could also take years. 

President Obama was trying to shut down a lot of our coal power plants.  Can you imagine how screwed up things could get really fast had he succeeded?  You get radical leftists in charge of all three branches of Govt, they will run things into the ground really fast (compared to the current norm). 
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Re: When Armed Resistance to Tyranny is Appropriate
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2019, 09:31:32 PM »

No stomach for it here, from either side. People are still getting paid, laid, and have full bellies.

Honestly, we're getting there too.  We have an entire industry convincing young people that there is no hope for the future, a nebulous "Them" is coming to get them, and they will literally be killed if the opposing political party wins.

Take the political fringe ramp up of the last 4-6 years, accelerate for another 10, and full bellies won't be quite as important as the impending Gay police/Handmaid's recruiters/NAZI purge/Commie Purge/ boogyman du jour.

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Re: When Armed Resistance to Tyranny is Appropriate
« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2019, 06:13:29 PM »

If we get to the point where leftists run things...


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Re: When Armed Resistance to Tyranny is Appropriate
« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2019, 11:59:16 AM »

Feinstein's "51 votes" remark:

https://youtu.be/ffI-tWh37UY (0:44)



"You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time."

Maybe so, but 50% + 1 is all the "all" you need, Mr. Lincoln.

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Re: When Armed Resistance to Tyranny is Appropriate
« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2019, 01:51:55 PM »

Reposting an old tidbit in light of this thread.

https://www.copblock.org/5475/when-should-you-shoot-a-cop/
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Re: When Armed Resistance to Tyranny is Appropriate
« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2019, 02:58:14 PM »

It would never be told that way in the press but I sometimes wonder if some of the cop ambushes were retribution for extra legal jackbooted thuggery.

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Re: When Armed Resistance to Tyranny is Appropriate
« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2019, 08:32:52 PM »

Its weird that politicians use threats of violence against large portions of the population, its totally ok, but when a person warns them against it, that person suddenly becomes a criminal.

Best to just stop sending out warnings.
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Re: When Armed Resistance to Tyranny is Appropriate
« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2019, 09:44:18 PM »

Honestly, we're getting there too.  We have an entire industry convincing young people that there is no hope for the future, a nebulous "Them" is coming to get them, and they will literally be killed if the opposing political party wins.

Take the political fringe ramp up of the last 4-6 years, accelerate for another 10, and full bellies won't be quite as important as the impending Gay police/Handmaid's recruiters/NAZI purge/Commie Purge/ boogyman du jour.

We survived the late 60s, hell it would be sh!t if they had social media then.
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Re: When Armed Resistance to Tyranny is Appropriate
« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2019, 11:31:37 PM »

We survived the late 60s, hell it would be sh!t if they had social media then.

I suspect that if the agitators of the 60's had had the communications abilities available now, there would have been a lot more unrest and lasting consequences.

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Re: When Armed Resistance to Tyranny is Appropriate
« Reply #20 on: October 26, 2019, 07:57:38 AM »

I suspect that if the agitators of the 60's had had the communications abilities available now, there would have been a lot more unrest and lasting consequences.

We are living it now.

Just remember that this country will not fall into a socialistic/communistic dictatorship - tyrannical or not - as long as we keep our arms. No armed populace has ever fallen victim to a dictator, despot, or tyrant. If a populace retains its will to remain free, it must also have the will to retain the power it needs to hold its freedom.

Armed resistance to tyranny is always appropriate. There are no ifs, ands, or buts; when or why. Tyranny can only be imposed. It can only be imposed with force or the threat of force. The key to retaining our freedom is to keep and bear arms. Without the ability to use the force of arms, tyranny and despotism will freely reign instead.

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Re: When Armed Resistance to Tyranny is Appropriate
« Reply #21 on: October 26, 2019, 12:50:56 PM »

They kind of had it figure out 243 odd year ago.

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IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

I don't believe we are quite there yet but "they" keep pushing in that direction.
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Re: When Armed Resistance to Tyranny is Appropriate
« Reply #22 on: October 26, 2019, 04:48:38 PM »

They kind of had it figure out 243 odd year ago.

I don't believe we are quite there yet but "they" keep pushing in that direction.

We're getting there.  We are like the frog in a pot of water.  The heat was turned on quite a while ago and the water is heating slowly but surely.  By the time we realize we are about to be cooked, it will be too late.  We won't be able to do anything about it.
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Re: When Armed Resistance to Tyranny is Appropriate
« Reply #23 on: October 26, 2019, 06:34:01 PM »

We're getting there.  We are like the frog in a pot of water.  The heat was turned on quite a while ago and the water is heating slowly but surely.  By the time we realize we are about to be cooked, it will be too late.  We won't be able to do anything about it.
Truthfully, I believe revolution has been bred out of the common citizen.  And there are not enough uncommon citizens left with the desire to rebel, at least for freedom's sake.

Depending on the trigger,  I'd disagree and say that the last 18 years have forged more veteran-citizens capable of resistance than the previous generation.  Will they step up?  Who knows.

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Re: When Armed Resistance to Tyranny is Appropriate
« Reply #24 on: October 27, 2019, 02:08:23 AM »

They kind of had it figured out 243 odd year ago.

I don't believe we are quite there yet but "they" keep pushing in that direction.

Ah, but 243 years ago, you could meet in secret in a pub with red-checkered tablecloths and dripping candles.

Nowadays, even making this observation could get you in trouble... or at least trigger some suspicion.

Ooops.

I'm not signing this one so nobody will know who posted it.

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« Last Edit: October 27, 2019, 10:41:55 AM by 230RN »
"You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time."

Maybe so, but 50% + 1 is all the "all" you need, Mr. Lincoln.
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