COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread

[MillCreek]

Did is really happen or is it just more fake news like the shooting victims who couldn't get care because covid?

Have crisis standards of care been implemented in Idaho and other places?  Yes.  Has there been wide-spread death and morbidity as a result of people being triaged out of care due to COVID?  Not that I am aware of.  I have seen some anecdotal reports here and there about one-off cases, but nothing on a large scale.

You know who is really crumbling under the strain right now are volunteer/commercial/life flight ambulance services.  They are the ones doing patient transfers from small hospitals to larger hospitals.  From what I read on my EMS/Fire forums, the small services are really struggling.  One round-trip patient transfer of 300 miles (the distance from Yakima to Seattle, for example) can tie up a single rig and crew for an entire day.  If you only have two or three rigs to begin with, you are crossing your fingers that you don't get slammed with a bunch of acute calls.

[kgbsquirrel]

Have crisis standards of care been implemented in Idaho and other places?  Yes.  Has there been wide-spread death and morbidity as a result of people being triaged out of care due to COVID?  Not that I am aware of.  I have seen some anecdotal reports here and there about one-off cases, but nothing on a large scale.

You know who is really crumbling under the strain right now are volunteer/commercial/life flight ambulance services.  They are the ones doing patient transfers from small hospitals to larger hospitals.  From what I read on my EMS/Fire forums, the small services are really struggling.  One round-trip patient transfer of 300 miles (the distance from Yakima to Seattle, for example) can tie up a single rig and crew for an entire day.  If you only have two or three rigs to begin with, you are crossing your fingers that you don't get slammed with a bunch of acute calls.

So that would be a no, this exact event did not actually happen.

[MillCreek]

So that would be a no, this exact event did not actually happen.

What exact event are you referring to?  The Seattle Times article did not describe an actual triage event, but rather a plan for triage at some hospitals in Idaho.  Did you read the article?

[Bogie]

I just love academics and their theoretical hypothetical situations...
 
A friend of mine at the largest hospital complex in the metro area basically said "The 'Rona is on television, but it sure isn't in the hospital."

[MillCreek]

I just love academics and their theoretical hypothetical situations...
 
A friend of mine at the largest hospital complex in the metro area basically said "The 'Rona is on television, but it sure isn't in the hospital."

Really? Which hospital is that?  According to this data (https://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/health-med-fit/coronavirus/map-icu-occupancy-at-st-louis-area-hospitals/html_b278a00d-fd57-559e-a1da-72a87d86b9df.html) I would think the 'largest hospital complex in the metro area' would have patients.  Which hospital are you referring to? I am familiar with the Barnes/Jewish and Mercy systems.

[Bogie]

Oh, they have patients...
 
Just not to the degree that you hear folks freaking out on the news about.
 
Seriously, if the crud was all Captain Andromeda Trips, like newscasters seem to think, then why are the hospitals themselves not actual quarantine zones? You go in, you don't come out until things are over.
 
But gee, we had metro buses dropping off help at various healthcare facilities. I'll bet that we had some medical folks who were working at multiple facilities. Nosocomial infection, anyone?
 
But there's plenty of handwavium. Masks that can't even stop sanding dust. The free bottles of hand cleaner. The doof who came in my store today and asked for a free mask. Yeah, had another one of those.
 
Make sure you wear your gloves... I'm SURE that your cotton jersey gloves will be the reason why  you survive...
 
99.8%.

[kgbsquirrel]

What exact event are you referring to?  The Seattle Times article did not describe an actual triage event, but rather a plan for triage at some hospitals in Idaho.  Did you read the article?

Let me know when they are actually doing battlefield triage and not just talking about it to gin up more fear and clicks.

[MillCreek]

Let me know when they are actually doing battlefield triage and not just talking about it to gin up more fear and clicks.

So that would be a no, you didn't read the article.

[dogmush]

Let me know when they are actually doing battlefield triage and not just talking about it to gin up more fear and clicks.

And then you'll............

What's the plan after waiting until we have actual battlefield triage in hospitals?

[cordex]

And then you'll............

What's the plan after waiting until we have actual battlefield triage in hospitals?

Two weeks to flatten the curve of course.

[Ron]

Maybe if we force the whole population to get injected with an experimental "gene therapy" "vaccine" that hasn't gone through the standard long term vetting for safety that will help?

[Bogie]

It's all about the handwavium.
 
You have to wear a mask to show that you care about wearing a mask to show that you care about showing that you care about wearing a mask...
 
The mask shows that you are Doing Something, and that you're On Board with Doing Something.
 
It may be ineffective to the point of being detrimental, but you are Showing That You Care about Being On Board and Doing Something. That is very important.
 
Under 0.2% - The majority, it seems, were geriatric patients in nursing homes, etc., with many of them already with "comorbidities" such as "terminally ill" and so forth.

[Boomhauer]

Let me guess, it’s still not tyranny?

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/10/australian-drug-regulator-bans-ivermectin-as-covid-treatment-after-sharp-rise-in-prescriptions

[MillCreek]

Consistent with Ben's remarks on heart attacks and COVID, in terms of priority:

https://www.nbc4i.com/news/u-s-world/alabama-man-dies-after-43-hospitals-with-full-icus-turned-him-away-family-urges-covid-19-vaccines/

[Bogie]

I wonder what percentage of the "covid victims" had DNR orders on file...

[Ben]

Regarding the Northern Idaho stuff, the AP is on it, and blaming Ruby Ridge. 

https://www.kivitv.com/news/northern-idahos-anti-government-streak-hampers-covid-fight

One big non-covid lie in the article automatically makes the rest of it bullshit:

Last year, armed groups patrolled the city’s downtown core to protect against non-existent Black Lives Matter protesters.

There were all kinds of videos showing patrolling citizens and BLM protestors comingling and friendly. The MSM just writes whatever the hell they want.

[WLJ]

Regarding the Northern Idaho stuff, the AP is on it, and blaming Ruby Ridge. 

https://www.kivitv.com/news/northern-idahos-anti-government-streak-hampers-covid-fight

One big non-covid lie in the article automatically makes the rest of it bullshit:

There were all kinds of videos showing patrolling citizens and BLM protestors comingling and friendly. The MSM just writes whatever the hell they want.

’You furnish the pictures, I’ll provide the war!'
-William Randolph Hearst

[MillCreek]

Regarding the Northern Idaho stuff, the AP is on it, and blaming Ruby Ridge. 

https://www.kivitv.com/news/northern-idahos-anti-government-streak-hampers-covid-fight

One big non-covid lie in the article automatically makes the rest of it bullshit:

There were all kinds of videos showing patrolling citizens and BLM protestors comingling and friendly. The MSM just writes whatever the hell they want.

Looks like both sides are just standing around.

https://www.kxly.com/black-lives-matter-protesters-demonstrating-in-coeur-dalene-additional-group-there-to-protect-idaho/

[Ben]

Looks like both sides are just standing around.

https://www.kxly.com/black-lives-matter-protesters-demonstrating-in-coeur-dalene-additional-group-there-to-protect-idaho/

https://youtu.be/bIS4C7ym5YM

[MillCreek]

Idaho cases spill over to Spokane: https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/northwest/idahos-covid-crisis-is-straining-hospitals-across-the-border-in-washington/

This is why we received our first patient from Montana, after they had to bypass Spokane.

[kgbsquirrel]

Idaho cases spill over to Spokane: https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/northwest/idahos-covid-crisis-is-straining-hospitals-across-the-border-in-washington/

This is why we received our first patient from Montana, after they had to bypass Spokane.

I don't believe the Seattle Times.

[dogmush]

Which part?

That Idaho hospitals are sending patients into Washington State?
That Idaho has gone to crisis standards of care?
That Washington State hospitals census numbers are climbing?

All those are pretty easy to verify from sources that aren't the Seattle Times.  All they really added were the emotive adjectives.

[DittoHead]

news link, related realworld observation

all numbers/news/observations are fake, the truth is unknowable.

I see stupid people at work, old people die all the time.

snarky comment, short & sweet

Fascism!! Tyranny!! Oppression!!

FAKE NEWS

clickbait twitchy link

useless overgeneralizing comment

Is it just me or has this thread been on repeat for awhile now...

[MechAg94]

Is it just me or has this thread has been on repeat for awhile now...

Were those all replies to you? 
 

This issue is more political than medical these days.

[dogmush]

This issue is more political than medical these days.