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Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
« Reply #700 on: March 12, 2020, 02:43:51 PM »
How the [bleep] can they fight it is they can't even agree on where it is?

Have you seriously never dealt with a bureaucracy before?
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« Reply #701 on: March 12, 2020, 02:48:41 PM »
And the Supreme Court just closed to the public until further notice.

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Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
« Reply #702 on: March 12, 2020, 02:51:54 PM »
My erstwhile employer has instituted a ban on non-essential travel. I'll have to re-read the policy, but it even covers personal travel.

Meanwhile, I dunno who to believe. I have bookmarked two maps, one from the CDC and one from ... some other source. CDC says NY state has 217 confirmed cases; the other map say 328. CDC says Montana has "1 to 5" cases. The other map says zero.

How the [bleep] can they fight it is they can't even agree on where it is?

Read the medium article linked in post 634.  It actually lays out pretty nicely why real cases lags behind reported cases, and while it's easy to know in hindsight how many cases there were, how many there are in any present is a much harder target.

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Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
« Reply #703 on: March 12, 2020, 03:24:52 PM »
That medium article was good, but even common sense dictates that very few coronavirus cases will be reported, versus the actual count of infections.

Most people don't go to the doctor for the flu unless they actually need help getting over it.  And coronavirus has flu-like symptoms and a low mortality rate.  Yeah, it's 5-10x higher than a typical flu, but it's still pretty low.
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Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
« Reply #704 on: March 12, 2020, 03:49:02 PM »
The panic mode everyone and every organization is in right now will do more damage to the economy than the CV itself ever could.
I am beginning to think we are well and truly screwed, and the screwing can be laid at the feet of the Dem/MSM pushing the "We're all gonna die!" narrative.
They will do anything to get Trump out of office or deny him reelection, regardless of the damage it causes to the country.
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Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
« Reply #705 on: March 12, 2020, 03:52:24 PM »
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Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
« Reply #706 on: March 12, 2020, 04:00:04 PM »
The panic mode everyone and every organization is in right now will do more damage to the economy than the CV itself ever could.
I am beginning to think we are well and truly screwed, and the screwing can be laid at the feet of the Dem/MSM pushing the "We're all gonna die!" narrative.
They will do anything to get Trump out of office or deny him reelection, regardless of the damage it causes to the country.

I don't think it's as bad as all that.  Yes they are pushing that narrative and will as long as our numbers of sick are rising, but they've got the attention span of a toddler on speed.  as soon as the world doesn't end, they will move on.

We almost went to war in Jan, and most folks don't remember it.  Impeachment is almost completely out of the new cycle once they lost.

They will milk this for what they can and move on.

Unless the actual sickness gets to 1918 flu numbers of sick and dead, they won't be willing to stretch it that far.  They will "squirrel" to something else.

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Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
« Reply #707 on: March 12, 2020, 04:07:34 PM »
The panic mode everyone and every organization is in right now will do more damage to the economy than the CV itself ever could.
I am beginning to think we are well and truly screwed, and the screwing can be laid at the feet of the Dem/MSM pushing the "We're all gonna die!" narrative.
They will do anything to get Trump out of office or deny him reelection, regardless of the damage it causes to the country.

Do you think Italy is in panic mode because they hate Trump?
They might be a little older and have a few more smokers but they shut things down because they had no other way to stop the spread and their hospitals were being overwhelmed.  I haven't seen a convincing argument why things will go significantly better here, especially with our lack of testing.
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« Reply #708 on: March 12, 2020, 04:08:45 PM »
Dogmush, it isn't the CV panic itself that will deny Trump reelection, it's the economic damage (likely a serious recession) resulting from the panic that will cause him lose.
The whole CV thing will be over and done with by May in my opinion, but the economic recovery will not start until mid-2021, if even then.  With Democrats in charge, all bets will be off once they jack corporate tax rates back up to their original 35% (hopefully that's all the farther they will go).
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« Reply #709 on: March 12, 2020, 04:12:29 PM »
Do you think Italy is in panic mode because they hate Trump?

Silly question, DittoHead.
Do you think we should be in such a serious panic here in the US given the much lower number of cases and fatalities we have experienced (and likely will experience) versus Italy?
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Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
« Reply #710 on: March 12, 2020, 04:18:37 PM »
Silly question, DittoHead.
Do you think we should be in such a serious panic here in the US given the much lower number of cases and fatalities we have experienced (and likely will experience) versus Italy?

YES. (Though "Panic" is not what I'd suggest, but taking things seriously and having everyone practice "Social Distancing." I can work in my office, and be over 6 feet away from everyone else. I don't see the need to shut down my office. If your company packs its employees in like sardines, it might want to encourage at least half of them to work from home.) Make it clear WHY we are doing this- not because most people will be in danger, but because there are limits to the numbers that our medical system can handle and we have to ensure this exponentially growing disease doesn't get there. You can go from one day having plenty of space in your ICUs, (only half of all beds taken up!) to the next day being full and the next day at twice capacity. You can't shut it down once it gets that far, you have to shut it down early.

If the reports are true about the nature of this disease (how contagious it is) then we need to act now, before we get large numbers of cases and fatalities. Waiting to act until there are a bunch of dead people ensure that we will have a huge number of dead people.

We haven't fully shut down our economy, like reports out of Italy say it has. I don't want to get to the point that we have to shut everything down to keep our medical system from getting overwhelmed like it is/was in China, Italy, and Iran.
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Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
« Reply #711 on: March 12, 2020, 04:19:07 PM »
Silly question, DittoHead.
Do you think we should be in such a serious panic here in the US given the much lower number of cases and fatalities we have experienced (and likely will experience) versus Italy?
We have a low number of confirmed cases because we don't have the capacity to test more.
I think certain parts of the US are where Italy was a week or two ago. The way to avoid becoming Italy is to take measures now, if it's not too late. As far as serious panic - it depends what you mean? Hoarding masks, TP, & bottled water is stupid and unhelpful.
Closing off travel from the EU isn't a bad move, but it's too late to make a big difference.
Cancelling large events, closing schools or going online, having as many people work from home are all smart choices right now.
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Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
« Reply #712 on: March 12, 2020, 04:20:35 PM »
Dogmush, it isn't the CV panic itself that will deny Trump reelection, it's the economic damage (likely a serious recession) resulting from the panic that will cause him lose.
The whole CV thing will be over and done with by May in my opinion, but the economic recovery will not start until mid-2021, if even then.  With Democrats in charge, all bets will be off once they jack corporate tax rates back up to their original 35% (hopefully that's all the farther they will go).

Perhaps.  I don't think it'll take that long to start going up, but it will take a while to fully recover.

Don't forget though, we still have to get a Dem candidate, and run an election with whatever shattered remains of the party come out of the convention.  Some of the Bernie supporters will revolt, Biden will forget that wisconson exists.  I legitimately am unwilling to call this election either way.

I don't think the economic damage is that lasting.  It's mostly panic driven, and will fade quickly as the panic does.

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Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
« Reply #713 on: March 12, 2020, 04:26:25 PM »
I don't think the economic damage is that lasting.  It's mostly panic driven, and will fade quickly as the panic does.

Yep. SOME of the decline is warranted, as companies have to deal with a new risk to their supply chains that was not priced in before. (Because everyone just whistled past the dangers of "just in time" inventories and relying on a single, adversarial country for most materials/goods.)

Hopefully companies will learn a lesson and diversify, strengthen, and shorten supply chains, but given the short-sighted nature of most CEOs, I'm not sanguine on that.
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Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
« Reply #714 on: March 12, 2020, 04:56:02 PM »
And OH Governor has ordered that all OH Schools (Public, Private, and Charter) will close after Monday March 16 and tentatively reopen April 6th.
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Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
« Reply #715 on: March 12, 2020, 05:03:55 PM »
All K-12 public and private schools in King, Pierce and Snohomish counties in Washington state must close on Monday and cannot reopen until at least April 24.

PS: this will effect 563,000 kids
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Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
« Reply #716 on: March 12, 2020, 05:05:13 PM »
We have a low number of confirmed cases because we don't have the capacity to test more.
I think certain parts of the US are where Italy was a week or two ago. The way to avoid becoming Italy is to take measures now, if it's not too late. As far as serious panic - it depends what you mean? Hoarding masks, TP, & bottled water is stupid and unhelpful.
Closing off travel from the EU isn't a bad move, but it's too late to make a big difference.
Cancelling large events, closing schools or going online, having as many people work from home are all smart choices right now.

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Exponential caseloads overwhelming hospitals while cases are still on the rise....
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Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
« Reply #717 on: March 12, 2020, 05:22:28 PM »
All K-12 public and private schools in King, Pierce and Snohomish counties in Washington state must close on Monday and cannot reopen until at least April 24.

PS: this will effect 563,000 kids

So, are they thinking this will be gone in April?

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Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
« Reply #718 on: March 12, 2020, 05:53:35 PM »
Do you think Italy is in panic mode because they hate Trump?
They might be a little older and have a few more smokers but they shut things down because they had no other way to stop the spread and their hospitals were being overwhelmed.  I haven't seen a convincing argument why things will go significantly better here, especially with our lack of testing.

I'll admit that I didn't see "all" of Italy, and it was 30 years ago but...
As a country they have a higher average population density than the US, Their personal hygiene standards are not as high as is what I consider the US average, even accounting for scuzzy people here. Their health system is not the same as the US, they do not have the capacity we do.
They aren't a 3rd world country but they aren't far removed from it.
As for the actual 3rd world shitholes that have a high infection and death rate those places also tend to pack their people in pretty tight in their population centers and they tend to have personal hygiene standards that would make a pig cringe.

In the US the distribution has been in areas with a high population density. So far the fatalities have been very heavily skewed toward older people with previously health conditions that were in close proximity to other older people with underlying health issues.
When large numbers of nominally healthy people start croaking I'll get worried. In the meantime I will avoid large public gatherings of people, give the majority of my co-workers as wide a berth as possible, don't lick the handles on shopping carts and wash my hands regularly, so no real changes.
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Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
« Reply #719 on: March 12, 2020, 06:33:44 PM »
Trump is toast?

It's obvious Biden, Hillary or M Obama would be handling this sooo much better? :facepalm: ...

or we're going to elect a Communist because of Wuhan Flu!

Honestly I think television sucks IQ points right out of the brains of people.




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« Reply #720 on: March 12, 2020, 06:35:35 PM »
JCPS (Jefferson county aka Louisville) schools closed until 4-6
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« Reply #721 on: March 12, 2020, 06:49:49 PM »
Trump is toast?

It's obvious Biden, Hillary or M Obama would be handling this sooo much better? :facepalm: ...

or we're going to elect a Communist because of Wuhan Flu!

Honestly I think television sucks IQ points right out of the brains of people.





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« Reply #722 on: March 12, 2020, 07:01:35 PM »
My county has a two weekend festival, this week and next, 62 years running. Cancelled. This is where all the civic groups make their money for the year. Less church missions, less scholarships; no new fire trucks. Brick and mortar businesses may close for good too.
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« Reply #723 on: March 12, 2020, 07:02:36 PM »
Report from my niece in KY - the Governor has "highly recommended" that all schools, public & private, close next Monday & stay closed for at least 2 weeks.

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« Reply #724 on: March 12, 2020, 07:08:42 PM »
https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/hospitals-health-systems/providence-st-joseph-health-offers-coronavirus-lessons-from-treating?mrkid=916753

Interesting article from the healthcare system that treated the very first US COVID 19 patient.
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