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Re: Jogger shot in Georgia
« Reply #125 on: September 06, 2021, 11:52:16 AM »

It appears the alleged victim in this case wasn't the squeaky clean, all-American boy the media would like us to view him as.

https://thepostmillennial.com/new-evidence-reveals-ahmaud-arbery-claimed-to-be-a-jogger-as-an-alibi-for-criminal-activity

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Re: Jogger shot in Georgia
« Reply #126 on: September 06, 2021, 12:02:00 PM »

It appears the alleged victim in this case wasn't the squeaky clean, all-American boy the media would like us to view him as.

https://thepostmillennial.com/new-evidence-reveals-ahmaud-arbery-claimed-to-be-a-jogger-as-an-alibi-for-criminal-activity

Yeah, some of that was brought up in earlier posts. Trouble is it makes him even more of a hero of the left because, you know, he wouldn't have had to be a criminal if it wasn't for white racism and capitalism and all that.
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Re: Jogger shot in Georgia
« Reply #127 on: September 06, 2021, 02:48:32 PM »

It appears the alleged victim in this case wasn't the squeaky clean, all-American boy the media would like us to view him as.

https://thepostmillennial.com/new-evidence-reveals-ahmaud-arbery-claimed-to-be-a-jogger-as-an-alibi-for-criminal-activity

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On February 23, Ahmaud Arbery was killed while he was running through the Satilla Shores neighborhood near Brunswick, in Georgia. Two men were sitting on their lawn when Arbery passed, and they pursued him in their truck. The men proceeded to get out of their truck and shoot Arbery, which resulted in his death.
It has been quite a while since I saw that video, but it was a little bit more complicated that that.  Instead of running away or standing still, Aubery advanced on the guy and grabbed for the shotgun.  Who was justified to do what was the question I was unclear of.  A case could be made for either one and both were likely in the process of doing things they weren't supposed to (though I haven't seen evidence that Aubery was doing something wrong that day).  It doesn't look good for the two men involved in the shooting. 

Sounds like the authorities are indicting everyone involved.
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Re: Jogger shot in Georgia
« Reply #128 on: September 06, 2021, 03:03:56 PM »

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On February 23, Ahmaud Arbery was killed while he was running through the Satilla Shores neighborhood near Brunswick, in Georgia. Two men were sitting on their lawn when Arbery passed, and they pursued him in their truck. The men proceeded to get out of their truck and shoot Arbery, which resulted in his death.

Definitely more to it than that. I watched the video. Arbery took a bit of a detour from his run, and spent several minutes inside a house that was under construction across the street from somebody's security camera. There had been burglaries in the neighborhood, so the three men suspected that Arbery might be the burglar. They pursued him, cut him off, and (apparently) attempted to detain him until they could get the police there. However, Arbery lunged at the guy holding the shotgun, and got himself killed for his efforts.

At the time, citizens arrests were legal in Georgia. The law has since been repealed, as a result of this case.

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Re: Jogger shot in Georgia
« Reply #129 on: September 06, 2021, 10:50:11 PM »

At the time, citizens arrests were legal in Georgia. The law has since been repealed, as a result of this case.

Yes.  Now if someone rapes your daughter and tries to escape, you had better not try and capture him for the police... or you can go to prison for ten years.  Because capturing criminals is racist.   :mad:

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Re: Jogger shot in Georgia
« Reply #130 on: September 07, 2021, 08:36:31 AM »

Yes.  Now if someone rapes your daughter and tries to escape, you had better not try and capture him for the police... or you can go to prison for ten years.  Because capturing criminals is racist.   :mad:

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Re: Jogger shot in Georgia
« Reply #131 on: September 08, 2021, 07:20:38 PM »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/09/03/us/ahmaud-arbery-jackie-johnson-indicted/index.html

So the prosecutor who first declined charges on the shooter and associates has been indicted for dereliction of duty and interference with a law enforcement officer.  What's interesting to me in this article is that Madame D.A. and the ex-L.E.O. were friends...close enough that he called her after the shooting looking for advice.  I'll be interested to see how this one plays out.
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Re: Jogger shot in Georgia
« Reply #132 on: September 08, 2021, 08:23:12 PM »

Yes.  Now if someone rapes your daughter and tries to escape, you had better not try and capture him for the police... or you can go to prison for ten years.  Because capturing criminals is racist.   :mad:

I really doubt that they have totally eliminated citizens' arrest; if you personally witness a felony and maybe a select few misdemeanors.  But if you do arrest someone as a citizen you do not have the qualified immunity that police officers have (and abuse regularly) so you better get it right.
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Re: Jogger shot in Georgia
« Reply #133 on: September 08, 2021, 11:37:55 PM »

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Guy walks in the front door. I walk with him back to the EMPTY BOXES of jump boxes, etc., at which point he asks a dozen or so questions. Walk him back to the front door, at which point he start round-a-bout accusing me of being racist.
 
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Re: Jogger shot in Georgia
« Reply #134 on: September 09, 2021, 09:19:06 AM »

I guess "paying customer" is an entirely different term not applied to that individual. 
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Re: Jogger shot in Georgia
« Reply #135 on: September 09, 2021, 02:24:31 PM »

I really doubt that they have totally eliminated citizens' arrest; if you personally witness a felony and maybe a select few misdemeanors.  But if you do arrest someone as a citizen you do not have the qualified immunity that police officers have (and abuse regularly) so you better get it right.

The GA eliminates citizens arrest except for a few categories of people (security guards, PIs and a few others).

It absolutely does eliminate citizens arrest for regular joes:

https://gov.georgia.gov/press-releases/2021-02-16/governor-kemp-announces-overhaul-citizens-arrest-statute

So if the rapist, murder, robber etc is trying to escape, you have to let them if you are an ordinary person... you can be imprisoned for ten years.   ;/

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Re: Jogger shot in Georgia
« Reply #136 on: September 09, 2021, 05:04:01 PM »

So that leaves them with SSS then, got it.
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Re: Jogger shot in Georgia
« Reply #137 on: September 09, 2021, 09:55:23 PM »

So that leaves them with SSS then, got it.

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Re: Jogger shot in Georgia
« Reply #138 on: September 10, 2021, 10:10:09 AM »

The second most infuriating thing about the GA banning citizens arrest was the blatant lying about citizens arrests laws by every commentator I saw.

Did you know these laws are racist, and were invented to oppress blacks?

That is the only explanation of these laws the media gave.

Citizens arrest laws are a part of English common law, and go back to ancient times, long before the existence of a police force.  When a bad guy was on the loose, there was a "hue and cry" and all men were required to grab their weapons and chase after the criminal... if they didn't, they were liable for damages from the crime.

Citizens arrest is also one of the foundations of Peel's Principles of Policing:

"To maintain at all times a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and that the public are the police, the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence."

Everything police can do, citizens can do, because they are have all the same rights.  Police can carry weapons?  So can citizens.  Police can arrest people?  So can citizens.... because they are the same sorts of people.

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Re: Jogger shot in Georgia
« Reply #139 on: November 24, 2021, 02:07:37 PM »

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Re: Jogger shot in Georgia
« Reply #140 on: November 24, 2021, 02:10:09 PM »

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/ahmaud-arbery-killing-trial-verdict-watch-11-24-21/h_61c9715b10cc24cad69318a030329d21

All three defendants guility of the murder of Mr. Arbery.

All three WHITE defendants guilty of the murder of Mr. Arbery

Seemed like just about every headline I saw made sure you knew they were white
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Re: Jogger shot in Georgia
« Reply #141 on: November 24, 2021, 02:23:23 PM »

I figured the father and son would get that, but did I forget something about the neighbor? I'm not sure how he got a murder charge.

I also figured there might be some bias due to the Rittenhouse not guilty verdict. The father and son didn't think things through. I don't know enough about the evidence to have input in what an appropriate charge would be, but this kinda sounds like what they did to Chauvin. How do you get four counts of felony murder and one count of "malice murder" for killing one person?
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Re: Jogger shot in Georgia
« Reply #142 on: November 24, 2021, 02:26:39 PM »

Three white men convicted of murdering a black man.  Last Friday, a black felon acquitted of murder and attempted murder of cops based on a claim of self-defense.  The Rittenhouse protesters have been telling us this is not possible in our racist system, but I'm starting to think that maybe they are wrong.

But it's probably just me failing to understand how these other two rulings are racist as well.  Maybe Don Lemon will explain it.

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« Reply #143 on: November 24, 2021, 02:47:54 PM »

I figured the father and son would get that, but did I forget something about the neighbor? I'm not sure how he got a murder charge.

I also figured there might be some bias due to the Rittenhouse not guilty verdict. The father and son didn't think things through. I don't know enough about the evidence to have input in what an appropriate charge would be, but this kinda sounds like what they did to Chauvin. How do you get four counts of felony murder and one count of "malice murder" for killing one person?

I'm guessing they were charged/convicted under old Jim Crow laws. Georgia has some unique laws for murder.
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Re: Jogger shot in Georgia
« Reply #145 on: November 24, 2021, 03:14:09 PM »

Under Oklahoma law anyone involved in the commission of a crime that results in a murder can be charged with the murder. An example of that in action would be: a few years ago three young adults committed a daytime home invasion armed with knives and brass knuckles. A resident of the home was armed with an AR-15. Three dead home invaders and the get away driver was charged and eventually convicted with their murders, the armed resident was not charged. Possibly Georgia has a similar statute.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/oklahoma-home-invasion-shooting-no-charges-against-man-who-killed-3-intruders

http://thugify.com/man-kills-burglars-in-oklahoma-home-invasion/
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« Reply #146 on: November 24, 2021, 03:46:17 PM »

Meanwhile the MSM and the race baiters continue to push the narrative that the justice sys is setup to let white people get away with murdering blacks.
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« Reply #147 on: November 24, 2021, 04:07:10 PM »

The three Arbery defendants are scheduled to go to trial next year on Federal hate crime charges.  It will be interesting to see how that trial goes for them.
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Re: Jogger shot in Georgia
« Reply #148 on: November 24, 2021, 04:10:32 PM »

The three Arbery defendants are scheduled to go to trial next year on Federal hate crime charges.  It will be interesting to see how that trial goes for them.

It will be more interesting to see how long America continues to put up with the criminalizing of [some] mean thoughts.
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« Reply #149 on: November 24, 2021, 04:17:28 PM »

Malice murder in Georgia:  https://www.11alive.com/article/news/crime/ahmaud-arbery/malice-murder-felony-murder-difference-ahmaud-arbery-death-trial/85-d13db692-cff9-4b4d-be73-5eba5ae22054

So malice murder appears to be the mostest horriblest murder. So why not just charge them with that instead of including the four other murders (again, for one victim)? I'm not just focusing on this case, but many others where they seem to throw a ton of various murder charges at someone, hooping something will stick.  I want to see murderers get their just desserts, but I worry about the government just amassing charges on someone just to win a case. Pick a lane, and you either have the evidence or you don't.

Not directing this at you Millcreek- just throwing out a general comment / question on these kinds of charges.
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