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9th Circuit Overturns Cali Mag Ban
« on: August 14, 2020, 12:46:27 PM »

https://www.firearmspolicy.org/9th-circuit-holds-large-capacity-firearm-magazines-protected-2nd-amendment

Some spicy comments and they set the bar pretty high for the enboc review to overrule.
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Re: 9th Circuit Overturns Cali Mag Ban
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2020, 12:58:50 PM »

My goodness. And from that division of the 9th Circuit.
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Re: 9th Circuit Overturns Cali Mag Ban
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2020, 01:00:00 PM »

Overridden by legal gymnastics in 5,4,3.......
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Re: 9th Circuit Overturns Cali Mag Ban
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2020, 01:05:55 PM »

There's a little tin foil voice telling me to expect a mass shooting in CA within a week.
The internet is making me a little bit paranoid on some matters, don't know sometimes if that's a good thing or bad.
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Re: 9th Circuit Overturns Cali Mag Ban
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2020, 01:27:15 PM »

Nice!

If it survives the Robert's Court I'm finally going to get that drum mag for my 642.

Seriously though, lets see challenges to the handgun roster, the "assault rifle" laws and so forth.

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Re: 9th Circuit Overturns Cali Mag Ban
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2020, 02:06:38 PM »

My goodness. And from that division of the 9th Circuit.

The 9th isn't the insane asylum it used to be.

Trump's appointments very, very quietly tipped the balance on the 9th.
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Re: 9th Circuit Overturns Cali Mag Ban
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2020, 05:16:17 PM »

I guess there may be a run on mags for a short time. 
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Re: 9th Circuit Overturns Cali Mag Ban
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2020, 05:23:06 PM »

Time for Magpul to do another airlift.
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Re: 9th Circuit Overturns Cali Mag Ban
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2020, 05:49:10 PM »

I guess there may be a run on mags for a short time. 

Glad I'm finally stocked on mags.
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Re: 9th Circuit Overturns Cali Mag Ban
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2020, 06:11:43 PM »

There's a little tin foil voice telling me to expect a mass shooting in CA within a week.
The internet is making me a little bit paranoid on some matters, don't know sometimes if that's a good thing or bad.

That occurred to me, too, 'cept maybe more time needed to brainwash a perpetrator into doing it for <koff-koff> "them."

Some of those lefties have pretty plastic "brains," but it may take more than a week to con someone into "the end justifies the means" on that one.

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Re: 9th Circuit Overturns Cali Mag Ban
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2020, 08:09:02 PM »

Been following these developments on Calguns.  Apparently, the Primary Arms and Brownells websites both crashed due to all the Californians trying to buy mags.
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Re: 9th Circuit Overturns Cali Mag Ban
« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2020, 08:20:37 PM »

There's a little tin foil voice telling me to expect a mass shooting in CA within a week.
The internet is making me a little bit paranoid on some matters, don't know sometimes if that's a good thing or bad.

There have been more than enough mass shootings for the gun-grabbers to use to their advantage.  One more won't make a difference, especially after this ruling.
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Re: 9th Circuit Overturns Cali Mag Ban
« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2020, 10:44:01 AM »

Noticed P-mags went up a couple of dollars on some sites since yesterday.
I've been monitoring p-mags prices since the panic started
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Re: 9th Circuit Overturns Cali Mag Ban
« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2020, 05:36:02 PM »

Nice!

If it survives the Robert's Court I'm finally going to get that drum mag for my 642.

Seriously though, lets see challenges to the handgun roster, the "assault rifle" laws and so forth.



There have been a lot of challenges to AW and mag bans.

Every single one has ultimately lost, and the Supreme Court will be no help.

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Re: 9th Circuit Overturns Cali Mag Ban
« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2020, 06:41:56 PM »

Hold your horses according to this

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    We have been asked by California retailers, distributors and ammunition magazine manufacturers across the industry whether Friday’s landmark decision by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit in Duncan v. Becerra means they can now sell to California consumers, ship to California retailers or manufacture in the state for commercial sale in the state ammunition magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition (so-called “Large Capacity Magazines” or LCM). The short answer is “NO.”

    While the holding in Duncan is a tremendous victory for the Second Amendment, members of the industry should continue to refrain from selling or shipping into California LCMs until after the appeal proceeding is concluded or the stay is modified or lifted. This is because the U.S. District Court’s Order Staying In Part Judgment Pending Appeal, dated April 4, 2019, remains in effect “pending final resolution of the appeal from the Judgment.” The appellate proceedings have not concluded or been finally resolved, so the stay remains in place.

    Stay tuned. NSSF will update you on developments, including when the appeal is over and you can sell standard-sized magazines in California.

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/caution-nssf-issues-industry-advisory-on-california-magazine-ban-ruling/
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Re: 9th Circuit Overturns Cali Mag Ban
« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2021, 04:00:01 PM »

And we are back to California being able to ban high capacity magazines, due to a ruling from the entire Ninth Circuit today:

https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2021/11/30/9th-circuit-upholds-california-ban-on-high-capacity-ammo-magazines-9427914

The intent to appeal the decision to SCOTUS has been announced.
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Re: 9th Circuit Overturns Cali Mag Ban
« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2021, 04:36:14 PM »

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“Accordingly, the ban on legal possession of large-capacity magazines reasonably supported California’s effort to reduce the devastating damage wrought by mass shootings,” the majority wrote, adding that the laws do not constitute an illegal government taking because “the government acquires nothing by virtue of the limitation on the capacity of magazines.”

That last is an odd turn of phrase. 

On the former, what is the "devastating damage wrought by mass shootings"?  It hurts the people who are directly affected, but it really just gets lost in the normal crime statistics for the year.  None of the politicians seem to care about the larger number of shootings and murders that don't cause more than a few deaths at a time.  Of course, that statement makes the assumption that larger capacity magazines cause mass shootings. 
 
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Re: 9th Circuit Overturns Cali Mag Ban
« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2021, 05:09:58 PM »

That last is an odd turn of phrase. 
Trying to get around Fourth Amendment protection, I assume?

If so, doesn't that conflict a bit with Tennessee v Garner wherein use of deadly force is considered a seizure subject to the Fourth Amendment's reasonableness requirement?  Pretty sure gunning someone down doesn't mean the government acquires anything of virtue either.

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Re: 9th Circuit Overturns Cali Mag Ban
« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2021, 05:24:46 PM »

Trying to get around Fourth Amendment protection, I assume?

If so, doesn't that conflict a bit with Tennessee v Garner wherein use of deadly force is considered a seizure subject to the Fourth Amendment's reasonableness requirement?  Pretty sure gunning someone down doesn't mean the government acquires anything of virtue either.

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Re: 9th Circuit Overturns Cali Mag Ban
« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2021, 06:06:15 PM »

I have been reading some comments suggesting that everyone should have a revolver or two, since it is unlikely revolvers will be the subject of any bans.  Does anyone know if there are any current USA bans or restrictions that effect revolvers?
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Re: 9th Circuit Overturns Cali Mag Ban
« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2021, 06:31:50 PM »

They will require any revolver to have a safety.
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Re: 9th Circuit Overturns Cali Mag Ban
« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2021, 06:33:47 PM »

They will require any revolver to have a safety.

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Re: 9th Circuit Overturns Cali Mag Ban
« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2021, 11:46:51 AM »

Forgotten Weapons: Remembering When Revolvers Had Safeties
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a21242/revolvers-with-safeties/

The thinking behind the Dutch police revolver safety is scary.  ("Well, you might be intending to only shoot a blank, but also have live rounds in some chambers in the cylinder, and what if you forgot which was which...?")
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Re: 9th Circuit Overturns Cali Mag Ban
« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2021, 11:55:06 AM »

The thinking behind the Dutch police revolver safety is scary.  ("Well, you might be intending to only shoot a blank, but also have live rounds in the some chambers in the cylinder, and what if you forgot which was which...?")

If only Alec Baldwin had had that revolver.......