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Re: Voting fraud compendium
« Reply #225 on: December 22, 2020, 04:12:03 PM »



Somebody once said, "All scientific advances start with someone saying, "Gee, that's odd.'"

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Re: Voting fraud compendium
« Reply #226 on: December 22, 2020, 04:58:21 PM »

Even though many of us simpletons likely don't have the brain capacity to actually understand statistics, maybe you could share some of these impossibilities?

I'm not amazingly good with numbers myself,  but have heard people who are and have the letters behind their name to prove it claim there are plenty of "odd"  one-in-a-billion odd things that happened.

One notable claim (I did not make it or claim it's real myself):  at the time the counting was stopped at zero dark thirty the morning after the vote in those few states,  Biden's chances of winning were one in four quadrillion.

Aside from what ever fraud exists,  which I believe we'll never get to the bottom of,  I think much of the "cheat"  is the governors and court decisions that opened up accepting votes (mail in)  over a longer period of time.  Only the states' legislature can control how the state votes,  not the court,  not the governir,  not the mayor,  not the boy scouts, not the girl scouts,  and not the Tuesday Afternoon Bridge Club. 

This election stinks on steroids.   But  I do not think it will be overturned;  Biden will be our next president.   :mad:
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Re: Voting fraud compendium
« Reply #227 on: December 22, 2020, 05:38:32 PM »

As do most disasters  
 

I don't get that, but I hope you're not missing my point that it's the odd things, the outliers, the things off the trend line, that generate investigative interest and develop the "extraordinary proof" that Carl Sagan was demanding.

"Gee, that's odd."

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Re: Voting fraud compendium
« Reply #228 on: December 22, 2020, 05:45:17 PM »

So what kind of "proof" are y'all looking for?  

I have seen quite a bit showing something underhanded occurred.  Would it stand up in court?  Probably not.  But it was enough that is concerns me quite a bit, most especially since few people in positions of authority seem to give a damn about investigating it or take steps to close the gaping holes in the voting systems.  

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Re: Voting fraud compendium
« Reply #229 on: December 22, 2020, 06:57:22 PM »

It's one thing to see something unusual (like voting patterns or broken trends) and say 'Gee, that's odd.' and then look into it further. That's fine, plenty of odd things to investigate and they can certainly hint at a bigger picture that might get clearer.

It's quite another to make a bold claim like "this election was stolen" without something solid to back it up. The investigation should come before that conclusion is made.

If the claim is that now our elections are illegitimate, I don’t think that clear & convincing evidence is an unreasonable request.
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Re: Voting fraud compendium
« Reply #230 on: December 22, 2020, 06:58:42 PM »

The people that think there wasn't absurd amounts of fraud are like people who really believe Epstein killed himself.

Momma didn't raise no fool. Don't piss down my leg and tell me it's raining. I know damn well Epstein didn't kill himself and there's no way Biden got more votes than Obama did in key counties, with record levels of turnout sometimes over the number of registered voters (and all those extra voters were same-day registrations you see), all the while he underperformed everywhere else including the next county over, and the Democrats in general didn't do so great. And that's just one particular front in the fraud; it just goes on and on. Nope. Not buyin' it. It's Fraud Too Big To Fail.


 To me the only thing under question, because we don't have evidence of course, is about the extent of the fraud...was it tens of thousands of votes (you'd be stupid to think less), hundreds of thousands of votes (my own guess), or millions of votes (I wouldn't rule it out).
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Re: Voting fraud compendium
« Reply #231 on: December 22, 2020, 07:23:15 PM »

I think they both suck but I'm with Zach on that question. How did pedo Joe do so bad except where he suddenly not only hit A home run but so far out of the park it went through both goal posts in the football field next door?
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Re: Voting fraud compendium
« Reply #232 on: December 22, 2020, 07:25:29 PM »

Even though many of us simpletons likely don't have the brain capacity to actually understand statistics, maybe you could share some of these impossibilities?

Sure, let me start by showing you the difference in the improbabilities that you just compared.

You just said that Trump's victory in 2016 was "statistically improbable", likely (here, I'm assuming) meaning that the pollsters said Hillary Clinton had a 90% chance of winning.

Meaning Trump had a 10% chance of winning. That is what you are defining as "statistically improbable."

The issues I am referring to are, as has been cited in this very thread, are things like batches of votes counted by various municipalities, where, for example, Pennsylvania posted 570,000+ voters for Biden and 3,200 for Trump.

That's  99.4 percent win for Biden in that batch. (Oh, and there are no such batches for Trump, but we'll ignore that.)

I'll be honest that I really don't want to do the math on that, especially when I can tell very quickly that the chances of getting 99% of a win over any random 500K+ votes even if the population were 90% for Biden is so miniscule as to make that 10% "improbability" of Trunp's victory in 2016 seem like a certainty.

We're talking several orders of magnitude difference between these "improbabilities."

This is the kind of "improbabilities" you are comparing.
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Re: Voting fraud compendium
« Reply #233 on: December 22, 2020, 08:18:44 PM »

as has been cited in this very thread, are things like batches of votes counted by various municipalities, where, for example, Pennsylvania posted 570,000+ voters for Biden and 3,200 for Trump.

That's  99.4 percent win for Biden in that batch. (Oh, and there are no such batches for Trump, but we'll ignore that.)
Cite it then, so I can continue my investigation as Carl Sagan would have wanted.

Which municipalities did it come from and what record are you relying on? Did in person observers see this and report it, or is it based off the unofficial live feed? (Which I may have mentioned before, is unofficial for a reason - There's little point in musing over the statistical improbability of what amounts to a typing error. )

How do you know there are no such batches for Trump?  Do you have a dataset containing all of the batch totals to check? Are the final certified vote totals for those municipalities way out of line with what would be expected?
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Re: Voting fraud compendium
« Reply #234 on: December 22, 2020, 10:18:59 PM »

Do you believe that Joe Biden received 10 million more votes than Obama while winning 200 hundred fewer counties? An historically low performance for a, ahem, cough, winner.

Do you believe Joe Biden under performed everyplace in the country except in the very battleground states he needed to win? Battlground states where he out performed past Democrats.


I don't find that particularly unbelievable

Just in case anybody missed DittoHead's incredulous statement.

DittoHead, hmm, ditto, head; a mind that just repeats/copies what it hears or observes with the implication of no thought.  Fitting for an account that often shares propaganda links and pushes the party lie in the face of all logic and evidence.

(And for the curious, my account name is based on the squirrels at CID Corry who we jokingly said were spying on us for the KGB.)

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Re: Voting fraud compendium
« Reply #235 on: December 22, 2020, 10:21:36 PM »

At this point I am of the opinion that some folks are arguing for the sheer sake of arguing.

Maybe those questions should be asked of Guliani.

Looking at the concept of "the election was stolen" as if it were a person on trial, as a juror, I might consider a not guilty vote on "reasonable doubt" after hearing all the evidence.  But if I were on a grand jury, I would definitely vote for a  Bill of Indictment from the evidence so far. (Let's not get  into the faults of the Grand Jury process at this point.)

And incidentally, considering the fact that jokes about voting fraud have been around for so long, they're almost an American Institution, I don't think it's necessary to call the accusations made here as  "extraordinary claims" at all.

They're, rather, quite ordinary, wot?

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Re: Voting fraud compendium
« Reply #236 on: December 23, 2020, 05:20:46 AM »

Fitting for an account that often shares propaganda links and pushes the party lie in the face of all logic and evidence.
Soros only pays me for the psy-ops on Ron, the rest of you guys are just incidental.  ;)


*And yes if "the party lie" is that voting matters and people in GA need to ignore the conspiracy nuts and vote in the senate runoffs (which is what ignited this tangent) then I am certainly pushing that propaganda
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Re: Voting fraud compendium
« Reply #237 on: December 23, 2020, 05:45:31 AM »

Soros only pays me for the psy-ops on Ron, the rest of you guys are just incidental.  ;)


*And yes if "the party lie" is that voting matters and people in GA need to ignore the conspiracy nuts and vote in the senate runoffs (which is what ignited this tangent) then I am certainly pushing that propaganda

It's pretty obvious we're both on the bottom rung of our respective conspiratorial networks.

At least you get paid. I'm just a volunteer.
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Re: Voting fraud compendium
« Reply #238 on: December 23, 2020, 06:37:51 AM »

Soros only pays me for the psy-ops on Ron, the rest of you guys are just incidental.  ;)
Ha ha!  That's so funn ... wait ...

You register in 2009 and post a bare handful of times between 2009 and 2010, then jump back into the fray in the election year of 2012.  But only until literally a week after Obama wins a second term.  Then you go radio silent until 2016 just after Trump unexpectedly wins (indeed, your first post back is lamenting his win despite losing the popular vote) and spend the next four years posting almost exclusively anti-Trump stuff.

You're not pulling a Biden and saying the quiet part out loud, are you?

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Re: Voting fraud compendium
« Reply #239 on: December 23, 2020, 07:24:33 AM »

You're not pulling a Biden and saying the quiet part out loud, are you?

My posting history is an open book, as is everyone's here. I haven't changed my opinion on the 2nd amendment, Obama, the electoral college, or Trump.

I have taken several breaks from this forum, some longer than others and for various reasons - life events that took me offline, general annoyance with politics overall, finding better forums for discussion. Despite my username, I don't see the need anymore to post many messages of simple agreement. There are plenty of threads here (and on most forums) that I consider a useless 'circle jerk' for lack of a better term. Trump's election and popularity here resulted in a lot of topics and specific points on which I disagree and therefore participate in. I don't expect to change anyone's opinion here but I do offer mine when it appears to differ from the majority. On other forums where Trump is less popular I don't bother to participate in the anti-trump stuff unless it goes off the rails into "illegitimate election" type nuttery. Call me a contrarian if you like.

If you think I should post differently, feel free to ignore me. That's what I do with fistful  =)
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Re: Voting fraud compendium
« Reply #240 on: December 23, 2020, 07:34:18 AM »

Why would I need to ignore you?  In a few weeks after your guy is safely installed it'll be time for another four year break.    ;)

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Re: Voting fraud compendium
« Reply #241 on: December 23, 2020, 07:42:01 AM »

No break needed, this forum will be put on the naughty list for wrong think   [tinfoil]
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Re: Voting fraud compendium
« Reply #242 on: December 23, 2020, 08:46:28 AM »

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I haven't changed my opinion on the 2nd amendment, Obama, the electoral college, or Trump.

Your posts and incidental affiliations might lead some to surmise that you are an anti-2nd Amendment statist/communist.
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Re: Voting fraud compendium
« Reply #243 on: December 23, 2020, 08:51:42 AM »

Your posts and incidental affiliations might lead some to surmise that you are an anti-2nd Amendment statist/communist.

I'm not sure what "incidental affiliations" I have, but I'd love to see which of my posts you think are anti-2nd Amendment statist/communist.
But maybe you could PM them or we could just start a new catch-all thread for what ya'll don't like about me?  :-*
Seems like a pretty big drift for this one...
I see no reason to give more power to the state when it can reside with the individual.

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Re: Voting fraud compendium
« Reply #244 on: December 23, 2020, 08:55:33 AM »

And for the record, DittoHead, my posting history is equally open.  My opinion of Trump started off low and was mixed throughout his term - I liked some things he did, and I disliked others.  Your relentlessly anti-Trump posts and equivalent anti-Trump reporting from the media as a whole, plus outright ideological censorship from tech platforms have actually served more to push me far more into the Trump camp.  

So ... congratulations, I guess.

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Re: Voting fraud compendium
« Reply #245 on: December 23, 2020, 08:58:38 AM »

And for the record, DittoHead, my posting history is equally open.  My opinion of Trump started off low and was mixed throughout his term - I liked some things he did, and I disliked others.  Your relentlessly anti-Trump posts and equivalent anti-Trump reporting from the media as a whole, plus outright ideological censorship from tech platforms have actually served more to push me far more into the Trump camp.  

So ... congratulations, I guess.

Again, keep it to the PM. The deep state is going to kick me out if this stuff is made public.
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Re: Voting fraud compendium
« Reply #246 on: December 23, 2020, 09:04:15 AM »

Again, keep it to the PM. The deep state is going to kick me out if this stuff is made public.
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Re: Voting fraud compendium
« Reply #247 on: December 23, 2020, 09:05:39 AM »

Your posts and incidental affiliations might lead some to surmise that you are an anti-2nd Amendment statist/communist.

Without turning my post into a book, I will say that making suppositions like this are more likely if referring to a poster that mostly, or just posts in politics. It gives a very one dimensional view of a poster. I know that Dittohead has actually posted non-political replies on gun topics here, and those replies would lead me to believe that he is not at all anti-2nd. He just doesn't seem to post outside of politics that much.

Dittohead, and everyone else here, can post where and how they want. I would only submit that if you regularly participate in other areas of APS as well, people have a more well-rounded view of who you are, and don't judge (or misjudge) you based purely on political posts.
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Re: Voting fraud compendium
« Reply #248 on: December 23, 2020, 09:43:24 AM »

Come on, man. Gimme a break. Please? It's Christmas.

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Re: Voting fraud compendium
« Reply #249 on: December 23, 2020, 09:48:55 AM »




This is getting ridiculous. I'm done with this thread.
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I see no reason to give more power to the state when it can reside with the individual.

“As states are a collection of individual men, which ought we to respect most: the rights of the people composing them, or the artificial beings resulting from the composition?” asked Alexander Hamilton. “Nothing could be more preposterous or absurd than to sacrifice the former to the latter.”
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