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Re: 2nd Impeachment trial
« Reply #25 on: January 25, 2021, 07:41:44 PM »
Quote from: Angel Eyes on January 25, 2021, 04:16:56 PM
Patrick Leahy to preside over the second impeachment trial:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/leahy-to-preside-over-senate-impeachment-trial


Yeah, I'm sure that will be fine . . .

How is that Constitutional? ? ?    [tinfoil]   Ooooops,  I forgot,  no one cares about that anymore .....  [tinfoil] :mad:
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Re: 2nd Impeachment trial
« Reply #26 on: January 25, 2021, 07:49:05 PM »
Quote from: HankB on January 25, 2021, 04:42:33 PM
Hmmmm . . . here's a thought.

If Patrick Leahy - a sitting senator - is to preside over a second impeachment trial, he doesn't get to vote on the verdict, does he?

In which case, a simple vote to dismiss would have 50 Republicans vs. 49 Democrats - case dismissed. (Assuming Romney and a few others don't go full retard.)

A 2/3rds majority (66 votes) is required to convict an impeached president in the Senate.  All Democrats, with a couple possible exceptions, will vote to convict.  It will take at least sixteen Republicans voting with the Democrats to convict Trump to double-plus now-and-forever remove him from the office he no longer holds.  It's possible sixteen Republicans could be rounded up to show their lack of conviction by voting for Trump's conviction.
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Re: 2nd Impeachment trial
« Reply #27 on: January 25, 2021, 08:31:08 PM »
Since Trump is no longer in office, isn't the article of impeachment a bill of attainder?   (I know it's a kangaroo court at this point so the law doesn't matter)
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Re: 2nd Impeachment trial
« Reply #28 on: January 25, 2021, 08:36:10 PM »
If one were to believe that Biden was not legitimately elected it would make sense to want to dispose of the last legitimate president just in case.
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Re: 2nd Impeachment trial
« Reply #29 on: January 25, 2021, 08:51:59 PM »
It's not about Trump.

It's a warning to anyone who might be thinking of running for POTUS on a populist/nationalist platform

It's either accept globalism 100%, which means being cozy with the ChiComs, or what happened to Trump over the last four years will happen to you.

There's a reason that Bernie (and Liz) were frozen out on the Dem side. Both of them have some sympathy towards economic nationalist ideas. And skepticism towards the wall St/financial engineering types. Can't let them anywhere near the presidency.
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Re: 2nd Impeachment trial
« Reply #30 on: January 25, 2021, 10:53:59 PM »
They want to get the sedition clause in there so he can't run for office again.
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Re: 2nd Impeachment trial
« Reply #31 on: January 26, 2021, 06:06:17 PM »
Looks like Rand Paul has this dead in the Senate.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/senators-sworn-in-impeachment-trial-start-feb-9

These five Rs think it's okie doke to impeach a private citizen:

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Five GOP senators voted not to dismiss the impeachment trial of President Trump: Susan Collins, Maine, Lisa Murkowski, Alaska, Ben Sasse, Neb., and Pat Toomey, Pa. They voted with all 50 Democrat senators to table the point of order.

I'll be watching their names when commie stuff comes up for a vote that is close.
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Re: 2nd Impeachment trial
« Reply #32 on: January 26, 2021, 06:17:08 PM »
The only reason I can think of to vote against this is to bring in the evidence showing it was preplaned by several small groups. Make the incitement mute. But looking at that list its a no from me.
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Re: 2nd Impeachment trial
« Reply #33 on: January 26, 2021, 06:46:37 PM »
Pat Toomey announced in October that he isn't going to seek reelection or run for governor of PA, so no surprise there with his vote.
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Re: 2nd Impeachment trial
« Reply #34 on: January 26, 2021, 07:01:32 PM »
The Ds want to shred the Constitution -- selectively.

Rand Paul made an impassioned speech (which is on TouTube) about how this trial is unconstitutional because Trump is no longer the President. The Ds argument is that because one of the penalties of a conviction, in addition to removal from office, can be a ban on holding office in the future, the trial is constitutional. But the Constitution says a trial pursuant to impeachment shall be presided over by the Chief Justice.

The Ds have appointed a rabid anti-trump D to preside. So their position comes down to cherry picking: The Constitution allows the trial to proceed even though Trump is no longer President, but because Trump is no longer President the part about rhe Chief Justice doesn't apply.

Blatant hypocrisy. But ... I repeat myself.
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Re: 2nd Impeachment trial
« Reply #35 on: January 26, 2021, 07:10:43 PM »
Quote from: Hawkmoon on January 26, 2021, 07:01:32 PM
The Ds want to shred the Constitution -- selectively.

Rand Paul made an impassioned speech (which is on TouTube) about how this trial is unconstitutional because Trump is no longer the President. The Ds argument is that because one of the penalties of a conviction, in addition to removal from office, can be a ban on holding office in the future, the trial is constitutional. But the Constitution says a trial pursuant to impeachment shall be presided over by the Chief Justice.

The Ds have appointed a rabid anti-trump D to preside. So their position comes down to cherry picking: The Constitution allows the trial to proceed even though Trump is no longer President, but because Trump is no longer President the part about rhe Chief Justice doesn't apply.

Blatant hypocrisy. But ... I repeat myself.
I hadn't realized they were doing that.  I wonder if the Chief Justice has any comment about it?
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Re: 2nd Impeachment trial
« Reply #36 on: January 26, 2021, 07:13:05 PM »
Quote from: MechAg94 on January 26, 2021, 07:10:43 PM
I hadn't realized they were doing that.  I wonder if the Chief Justice has any comment about it?

The Chief Justice refused to preside over the trial.
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Re: 2nd Impeachment trial
« Reply #37 on: January 26, 2021, 07:22:14 PM »
Rand Paul got 45 votes on his Constitutional point of order so hopefully the impeachment is dead cuz Dems won’t have 2/3rds to convict.

https://twitter.com/randpaul/status/1354163711917903872?s=21
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Re: 2nd Impeachment trial
« Reply #38 on: January 26, 2021, 10:37:16 PM »
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Re: 2nd Impeachment trial
« Reply #39 on: January 26, 2021, 11:43:46 PM »
Quote from: JTHunter on January 26, 2021, 10:37:16 PM
Leahy may not be up to the "stress" of a trial.
https://www.fox5dc.com/news/vermont-sen-patrick-leahy-returns-home-after-hospital-visit  >:D
When I saw that on the news the first thing I thought was "Leahy decided he doesn't want any part of this tar baby either . . . "

We'll see if the backroom boys twist his arm a little harder.
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Re: 2nd Impeachment trial
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