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Two FBI agents killed while serving warrant in Sunrise
https://wsvn.com/news/local/two-fbi-agents-killed-while-serving-warrant-in-sunrise/

Breaking: Two FBI Agents Killed, Several others injured during early morning raid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8nOxp-LvYMhttps://wsvn.com/news/local/two-fbi-agents-killed-while-serving-warrant-in-sunrise/

Cue the dems lining up to use this for gun control
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Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2021, 10:46:02 AM »
The two dead agents were already in flag-draped caskets while the incident was still on-going?  That seems unusual to me.
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Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2021, 10:53:54 AM »
Feds don't have a very good track record for gunfights in Florida.

I wonder if this one featured the same scope of incompetence as is described in Unintended Consequences and the 1986 FBI gunfight.

Lot of pageantry for transport to the ME's office.  Smells like "making hay while the sun shines" with the corpses.
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Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2021, 10:55:16 AM »
They don't give much information.  I appears that shooting started while they were still outside.  I am curious about how it happened. 
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Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2021, 10:57:27 AM »
Countdown to Feds getting a new custom caliber made for them, that they don't have the institutional rigor to learn to shoot properly, in 3...2...1...
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Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2021, 11:29:21 AM »

Lot of pageantry for transport to the ME's office.  Smells like "making hay while the sun shines" with the corpses.

It seemed pretty informal.  The news announcer stated this was while taking the body to the medical examiner's office.  I think the announcer mistakenly stated the body was in a casket, it was probably just in a bag on the gurney, or perhaps just in sheets, it's hard to tell from the video.  It was the casket part of the statement that struck me as unusual.  Hospitals don't normally have caskets available, that I'm aware of.
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Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2021, 11:38:21 AM »
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A total of five agents were shot. Two were killed and two others were taken to the hospital and are in stable condition. The FBI did not speak on the condition of the third injured agent.

Authorities also say the subject is dead.
https://wsvn.com/news/local/two-fbi-agents-killed-3-injured-while-serving-warrant-in-sunrise/
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Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2021, 11:50:03 AM »
Probably the ‘good’ FBI agents.
Probably the ‘bad’ FBI agents tipped off the kiddie diddlers.
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Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2021, 12:40:28 PM »
The two dead agents were already in flag-draped caskets while the incident was still on-going?  That seems unusual to me.

Can't rely on reporters to get basic facts straight in their reporting.  This is especially true if they are trying to push a specific agenda.  Looks like a flag draped gurney to me.  It's interesting that they had a flag at the ready, however.
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Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2021, 01:18:07 PM »
Wonder if it was a "no-knock" warrant . . . and whether or not they even had the warrant with them.
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Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2021, 01:47:53 PM »
Kiddie porn weirdos don't seem like the violent type to me.  They seem more like the type to hide and cry than start a gunfight.
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« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2021, 01:58:10 PM »
Kiddie porn weirdos don't seem like the violent type to me.  They seem more like the type to hide and cry than start a gunfight.

Just spitballing while we wait for facts:

Kiddie porn consumers seem like cry and hide folks for the most part.

The folks tasked with procuring the kiddies for the porn probably have more capacity for violence.  The local news here in Tampa was calling this a child trafficking warrant.

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Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2021, 02:19:23 PM »
It was the casket part of the statement that struck me as unusual.  Hospitals don't normally have caskets available, that I'm aware of.

We do not have caskets in the hospital.  We do have body bags and have some spare flags for the flagpole.  I have been part of events in which a first responder dies in the ED and is then transported to the medical examiner's office.  The body goes in a bag, the bag goes on a gurney, and we will drape the gurney with a flag as it is wheeled through the corridors to the vehicle transporting to the ME's office.  It is a pretty somber occasion, and the hospital staff will often stand at attention, salute, or put their hands over their hearts as the gurney rolls past.
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Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2021, 04:06:13 PM »
Kiddie porn weirdos don't seem like the violent type to me.  They seem more like the type to hide and cry than start a gunfight.

Consumers, maybe not.

The manufacturers, who often are in leagues with organized crime and human trafficking rings, have the potential for great violence.
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« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2021, 04:36:00 PM »
Child porn/child exploitation can carry lengthy mandatory sentences, especially for people all ready on the sex offender registry. I wonder if the guilty said *expletive deleted*ck it since they were going to be in prison for the rest of their life and decided to take a few with them?
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Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2021, 04:46:26 PM »
Tin Foil Hatters in the  TTAG comment section pushing that this was a gun confiscation gone bad with the kiddie porn stuff as cover.  [tinfoil]
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« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2021, 04:48:09 PM »
Tin Foil Hatters on TTAG pushing that this was a gun confiscation gone bad with the kiddie porn stuff as cover.  [tinfoil]

No evidence yet.  But no doubt at all this gets used for politics.

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« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2021, 05:22:21 PM »
Child porn/child exploitation can carry lengthy mandatory sentences, especially for people all ready on the sex offender registry. I wonder if the guilty said *expletive deleted*ck it since they were going to be in prison for the rest of their life and decided to take a few with them?

It's my understanding that child molesters are at the bottom of the pecking order inside prison, and are treated harshly by their fellow inmates.  So there's another potential reason to go out shooting rather than be arrested.
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« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2021, 06:48:35 PM »
^^^If I was in that situation, I would just shoot myself rather than killing agents just doing their job.
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« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2021, 07:07:44 PM »
^^^If I was in that situation, I would just shoot myself rather than killing agents just doing their job.
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Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2021, 08:01:51 PM »
With my new job in the big city, I have seen an exponential increase in the number of trafficking cases coming into court.  And yes, those who deal in children, especially teens, are violent POSs who are often fairly well armed.  Surprising to me is that in the four months I've been here, I've seen half a dozen cases where Glocks in. 357 SIG caliber have been seized from trafficking cases.
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« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2021, 08:47:15 PM »
No evidence yet.  But no doubt at all this gets used for politics.

Guessing it is someone of an immigrant background only because if it was a white dude with a mullet (no short supply down there) he would be all over the news and we’d already be in camps.
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« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2021, 08:55:10 PM »
Guessing it is someone of an immigrant background only because if it was a white dude with a mullet (no short supply down there) he would be all over the news and we’d already be in camps.

Let's hope it isn't another political arrest that went sideways.  FBI has been rounding up people from the 6th.

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« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2021, 08:56:27 PM »
It seemed pretty informal.  The news announcer stated this was while taking the body to the medical examiner's office.  I think the announcer mistakenly stated the body was in a casket, it was probably just in a bag on the gurney, or perhaps just in sheets, it's hard to tell from the video.  It was the casket part of the statement that struck me as unusual.  Hospitals don't normally have caskets available, that I'm aware of.

To the best of my knowledge, ambulances don't carry flags for draping corpses, either.
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« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2021, 09:14:03 PM »
To the best of my knowledge, ambulances don't carry flags for draping corpses, either.

Maybe after the last year or so and the defunding the police mantra coupled with mass retirements and career changes by the police they have realized that they *may* just be outnumbered and outgunned and have started carrying a few flags in the cruiser trunks.  =|


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