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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #51 on: March 12, 2021, 08:07:36 AM »

Regarding "large capacity" magazines (quote snipped for brevity):

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‘(3) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to—


‘(C) the possession, by an individual who is re13 tired in good standing from service with a law en14 forcement agency and is not otherwise prohibited
15 from receiving ammunition, of a large capacity am16 munition feeding device—
17 ‘‘(i) sold or transferred to the individual by
18 the agency upon such retirement; or
19 ‘‘(ii) that the individual purchased, or oth20 erwise obtained, for official use before such re21 tirement;


So retired cops get to have standard capacity mags?
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #52 on: March 12, 2021, 08:26:14 AM »

Regarding "large capacity" magazines (quote snipped for brevity):

So retired cops get to have standard capacity mags?

Using dem logic since I couldn't get into law enforcement due to a preexisting condition I qualify   
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #54 on: March 12, 2021, 01:33:48 PM »

‘(w)(1) It shall be unlawful for a person to import,
sell, manufacture, transfer, or possess, in or affecting
interstate or foreign commerce, a large capacity ammunition feeding device.
‘‘(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to the possession
of any large capacity ammunition feeding device otherwise
lawfully possessed on or before the date of enactment of
the Assault Weapons Ban of 2021.

So does that mean anyone possessing a hi capacity Mag after passage (I hope not) of this bill is a criminal?

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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #55 on: March 12, 2021, 03:06:49 PM »

‘(w)(1) It shall be unlawful for a person to import,
sell, manufacture, transfer, or possess, in or affecting
interstate or foreign commerce, a large capacity ammunition feeding device.
‘‘(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to the possession
of any large capacity ammunition feeding device otherwise
lawfully possessed on or before the date of enactment of
the Assault Weapons Ban of 2021.

So does that mean anyone possessing a hi capacity Mag after passage (I hope not) of this bill is a criminal?
Looks like a grandfather clause to me.
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #56 on: March 12, 2021, 03:12:24 PM »

Looks like a grandfather clause to me.


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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #57 on: March 12, 2021, 03:14:14 PM »

They're throwing in grandfather clauses in as a bone. Later when the murder rate doesn't change (shock) they'll use that as excuse to repeal the grandfather clauses.
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #58 on: March 12, 2021, 04:09:28 PM »

205 listed weapons in Feinstein's ban, and that's if you don't count, "and similar to".

https://www.theepochtimes.com/ban-on-205-different-assault-weapons-introduced-by-sen-feinstein_3730994.html
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #59 on: March 12, 2021, 06:54:49 PM »

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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #60 on: March 12, 2021, 07:04:24 PM »

My advice, buy all the mags you can this week.  Prices will start climbing tomorrow, because this will pass.
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #61 on: March 12, 2021, 07:30:50 PM »

My advice, buy all the mags you can this week.  Prices will start climbing tomorrow, because this will pass.

I think this will have a tough time in the senate. There are enough blue senators that know that this will end their career. Manchin for one. Any squishy R that votes for is likewise done.

That said, I don't need any mags. But I became a gun nut during the ban years and because of the ban. And I remember paying $75 or more for Glock mags. And I have a lot of Glock mags now. Just ordered 35 more magpuls. I have 100 AR mags and but one AR so I will chill there and my M-14 count is 10 because they don't wear out and if you need to carry more than 10 you have bigger problems than small arms can solve.
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #62 on: March 12, 2021, 08:13:05 PM »

AR mag prices seem to have not changed at all. Everywhere I go, they are pre-panic price and plentiful. I must have around 30 AR mags at this point and am not sure what I would do with more, but then I said the same thing about my ammo supply last year. :)

Other mags I have priced are going for higher than normal prices, but I think I'm pretty set.
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #63 on: March 12, 2021, 08:46:57 PM »

Tempting to do some buying.  I feel like I'm good on mags, honestly.  That said, I always want more of something once it becomes restricted.

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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #64 on: March 12, 2021, 08:48:02 PM »

My advice, buy all the mags you can this week.  Prices will start climbing tomorrow, because this will pass.

DSG has 10 pack Magpul G2 mags for $98.  Came out to $105 shipped for me.  $10.50 per Mag is pretty damn good.

https://dsgarms.com/magazines-dsgtenpack01

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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #65 on: March 13, 2021, 12:35:23 AM »

I think this will have a tough time in the senate. There are enough blue senators that know that this will end their career. Manchin for one. Any squishy R that votes for is likewise done.

This no longer applies since the Dems have taken complete control of the federal election apparatus.  They know they are safe in their seats should they choose to run in the next election.

My predictions:  Every Democrat, the lone not-so-independent socialist, and several Republicans will vote in favor of this bill.  Number 46 will sign it into law.
When the new law eventually makes its way to the Supreme Court, the Court will refuse to take the case, thereby allowing the law to stand.  That seems to be the new modus operandi of the compromised SCOTUS.  Refusing to take a case gives them the political cover they need to not rule on a constitutionally abhorrent law.
I find it curious that the Democrats have gone mostly silent recently about packing the SCOTUS.  They were very vocal about that prior to and just after the election.
I also am surprised that the Democrats wrote grandfather clauses into the new AWB, and didn't go for outright bans on ownership and "buybacks" (read: confiscation).  That was their clearly declared intent prior to Nov. 3.  They have the political power to do both, and the SCOTUS will back them.  Why they chose to not go whole hog is very odd in my view.

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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #66 on: March 13, 2021, 12:37:28 PM »

This no longer applies since the Dems have taken complete control of the federal election apparatus.  They know they are safe in their seats should they choose to run in the next election.

My predictions:  Every Democrat, the lone not-so-independent socialist, and several Republicans will vote in favor of this bill.  Number 46 will sign it into law.
When the new law eventually makes its way to the Supreme Court, the Court will refuse to take the case, thereby allowing the law to stand.  That seems to be the new modus operandi of the compromised SCOTUS.  Refusing to take a case gives them the political cover they need to not rule on a constitutionally abhorrent law.
I find it curious that the Democrats have gone mostly silent recently about packing the SCOTUS.  They were very vocal about that prior to and just after the election.
I also am surprised that the Democrats wrote grandfather clauses into the new AWB, and didn't go for outright bans on ownership and "buybacks" (read: confiscation).  That was their clearly declared intent prior to Nov. 3.  They have the political power to do both, and the SCOTUS will back them.  Why they chose to not go whole hog is very odd in my view.

It helps keep gun owners from getting too upset, while still pushing forward with their objectives.

Just like how over time, the NFA has religated MGs to expensive, niche items; so they would prefer with semiautos.

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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #67 on: March 13, 2021, 01:08:13 PM »

AR mag prices seem to have not changed at all. Everywhere I go, they are pre-panic price and plentiful. I must have around 30 AR mags at this point and am not sure what I would do with more, but then I said the same thing about my ammo supply last year. :)

Other mags I have priced are going for higher than normal prices, but I think I'm pretty set.

The only mags I would really like more of is some 15 or 20 rounders for my Armalite AR10 that uses the modified M14 mags but they are rare as hen's teeth. Other than that I am set, more than set actually. Although I may splurge on a 60 round Surefire mag for my AR pattern rifles just because I can. I already have an older 100 round drum from back when the Clinton ban expired.

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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #68 on: March 13, 2021, 01:12:41 PM »

I'd like some more Ruger Mini-14 steel magazines; I like the 20 rounders.  I got some aftermarket steel mags from CDNN a few years ago that work really well, but they don't seem to sell them anymore.  A few 10's would actually be handy too but I don't know if they make those. 
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #69 on: March 13, 2021, 01:17:23 PM »

The only mags I would really like more of is some 15 or 20 rounders for my Armalite AR10 that uses the modified M14 mags but they are rare as hen's teeth.

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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #70 on: March 13, 2021, 11:28:24 PM »

Looks like a grandfather clause to me.

It's called a loophole.  Not to worry, they will take care of that in the near future.

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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #71 on: March 14, 2021, 12:11:06 AM »


I got in a fight with one of the moderators on another forum by saying that not having a grandfather clause would amount to a 5th Amendment "taking" and be unconstitutional.  (since I'm not a lawyer, I am not entitled to have a legal opinion unless I can cite actual legal cases)
Hmmm . . . there's a "legal" moderator on another shooting forum that has a habit of removing posts when he sees himself losing a debate . . . 
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #72 on: March 24, 2021, 09:36:12 AM »

Manchin shockingly is standing his ground

Despite Biden’s Plea, Joe Manchin Opposes the Two Background Check Bills Passed by the House
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/despite-bidens-plea-joe-manchin-opposes-the-two-background-check-bills-passed-by-the-house/
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #73 on: March 24, 2021, 09:41:52 AM »

Not content with violating the Second Amendment, the Biden administration wants to destroy the Fourth as well:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicksibilla/2021/03/23/biden-administration-urges-supreme-court-to-let-cops-enter-homes-and-seize-guns-without-a-warrant
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #74 on: March 24, 2021, 11:18:11 AM »

I just saw an interview in the local news with an Idaho state rep regarding a newly introduced state bill "The Small Arms Protection Act". It was just introduced a couple of weeks ago and she said it's looking good, except that it needs to pass before Biden / Congress do any new antigun stuff themselves. I don't understand the legal reasons, but it would apparently not have as many teeth regarding already existing Federal gun control laws versus laws enacted after it is put in place.

I hope it passes. It wouldn't help with out of state travel, but in-state is better than nothing. We are currently a "2nd Amendment Sanctuary State", but of course that is more of a statement than anything else.

 https://legiscan.com/ID/bill/H0300/2021
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