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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #825 on: July 30, 2022, 03:10:59 AM »

We need to establish clearly the right to own "weapons of war."
you mean select fire?
I agree.

'they" keep insisting AR's are a weapon of war, yet we do not arm the military with AR15's
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #826 on: July 30, 2022, 06:10:23 AM »
Sure we do.

"Ar15" has come to encompass a wide variety of configurations optimized for various uses. Certainly a Colt 6420 is closer to an M4 than it is to someone's 24" barreled wildcat chambered predator rig,

The auto function and SBRedness of an M4 are just two variations in the wide ranging world of AR's.

We should stop pretending that an M4orgery at home isn't intended to be as close to an infantry carbine as is practical.

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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #827 on: July 30, 2022, 08:59:03 AM »
Okay, what am I missing?

I keep hearing that it is only an "off chance" that the Senate will pass this. That's the 50/50 Senate, right? What dems in the senate are going to jump ship? I'm certainly not accepting that every R will vote "nay".
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #828 on: July 30, 2022, 09:01:05 AM »
Okay, what am I missing?

I keep hearing that it is only an "off chance" that the Senate will pass this. That's the 50/50 Senate, right? What dems in the senate are going to jump ship? I'm certainly not accepting that every R will vote "nay".

The question is will the gun-grabbers get 60 votes to override a filibuster.  I doubt that they can, but it's not impossible.
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #829 on: July 30, 2022, 09:05:11 AM »
The question is will the gun-grabbers get 60 votes to override a filibuster.  I doubt that they can, but it's not impossible.

I was just gonna repost that I forgot about the 60 votes/ filibuster. I have REALLY got to stop posting before I fully wake up.  :laugh:
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #830 on: July 30, 2022, 09:05:45 AM »
Of course, the Dem majority could nuke the filibuster ...
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #831 on: July 30, 2022, 09:18:32 AM »
Remember it wasn't suppose to pass the house but here we are.
Don't forget they enacted a voting rule change in the morning so that they could vote on 1808 in the afternoon. They're not above changing rules on the fly to get what they want.
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #832 on: July 30, 2022, 10:44:22 AM »
If they make an AR-15 that's lighter than 10 boxes, will that be a way to get around the law?
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #833 on: July 30, 2022, 10:51:40 AM »
If they make an AR-15 that's lighter than 10 boxes, will that be a way to get around the law?

And limit it to single reactor ignition https://youtu.be/V8EDyD97TZo?t=37.

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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #834 on: July 30, 2022, 11:42:34 AM »
I don't think it will get past the court if they do somehow pass it but that will be a long fight but maybe it will be enough to add even more loses to them in November.
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #835 on: July 30, 2022, 07:01:00 PM »
I don't think it will get past the court if they do somehow pass it but that will be a long fight but maybe it will be enough to add even more loses to them in November.

Probably.

And if the court tosses it (which actually seems likely) tens of millions of more people will panic and run out and buy AR-15s.

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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #836 on: July 30, 2022, 07:05:07 PM »
you mean select fire?
I agree.

'they" keep insisting AR's are a weapon of war, yet we do not arm the military with AR15's

Yes.  Banning machine guns is a blatant violation of the 2nd.  Every single discussion of what weapons are protected in courts and legal commentary up through Miller v. USA stated plainly that military weapons are protected in by RKBA provisions in the Federal and State Constitutions.  A lot of courts actually said civilian weapons are not protected (bowie knives, pocket pistols) but everyone thought it was obvious that military weapons were protected.

I am not delusional enough to think MGs will ever be legalized though.   :mad:

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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #837 on: July 31, 2022, 06:45:34 PM »
Handgonnes, matchlocks, flintlocks, caplocks, single shot, lever action, pump action, semi-auto, machine guns, pistols, rifles, shotguns, muzzleloading, centerfire, rimfire, - all have been used as weapons of war.

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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #838 on: July 31, 2022, 07:04:36 PM »
Are they going to target longbows? They served quite well at Agincourt.
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #839 on: July 31, 2022, 07:57:15 PM »
I happen to have a HEAVY draw weight Barnette Compound Crossbow in the back of our SUV right now. Needs a new draw string and a quiver of bolts though.

Come to think of it, will I get in trouble for having this in the truck on VA property, with no bolts?
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #840 on: July 31, 2022, 07:59:12 PM »
Are they going to target longbows? They served quite well at Agincourt.
No, they will go for those assault crossbows first. 
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #841 on: July 31, 2022, 08:00:37 PM »
Will an arm brace make a crossbow full auto?
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #842 on: July 31, 2022, 08:02:11 PM »
Will an arm brace make a crossbow full auto?

No, but there is this big German guy...
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #843 on: July 31, 2022, 08:59:35 PM »
No, but there is this big German guy...

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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #844 on: July 31, 2022, 09:55:12 PM »

Come to think of it, will I get in trouble for having this in the truck on VA property, with no bolts?

Probably.

38 CFR § 1.218 - Security and law enforcement at VA facilities.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/38/1.218

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(13) Weapons and explosives. No person while on property shall carry firearms, other dangerous or deadly weapons, or explosives, either openly or concealed, except for official purposes.
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(b) Schedule of offenses and penalties. Conduct in violation of the rules and regulations set forth in paragraph (a) of this section subjects an offender to arrest and removal from the premises. Whomever shall be found guilty of violating these rules and regulations while on any property under the charge and control of VA is subject to a fine as stated in the schedule set forth herein or, if appropriate, the payment of fixed sum in lieu of appearance (forfeiture of collateral) as may be provided for in rules of the United States District Court. Violations included in the schedule of offenses and penalties may also subject an offender to a term of imprisonment of not more than six months, as may be determined appropriate by a magistrate or judge of the United States District Court:
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(37) Possession of firearms, carried either openly or concealed, whether loaded or unloaded (except by Federal or State law enforcement officers on official business, $500.

(38) Introduction or possession of explosives, or explosive devices which fire a projectile, ammunition, or combustibles, $500.

(39) Possession of knives which exceed a blade length of 3 inches; switchblade knives; any of the variety of hatchets, clubs and hand-held weapons; or brass knuckles, $300.

(40) The unauthorized possession of any of the variety of incapacitating liquid or gas-emitting weapons, $200.
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #845 on: July 31, 2022, 10:09:16 PM »
Probably.

38 CFR § 1.218 - Security and law enforcement at VA facilities.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/38/1.218

Well, THAT'S an issue. Anyone want a Crossbow? Pay shipping and promise not to shoot cats or dogs and I'll send it to ya!
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #846 on: July 31, 2022, 11:09:12 PM »
Well, THAT'S an issue. Anyone want a Crossbow? Pay shipping and promise not to shoot cats or dogs and I'll send it to ya!

How loud is it?

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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #847 on: August 01, 2022, 12:30:03 AM »
About "Thwip-Twang!"
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #848 on: August 01, 2022, 08:35:03 AM »
Not sure what to make of this but my  [tinfoil] sense is tinging

Dept. Commerce Census Bureau Requesting Sales Records From Gun Holster Companies?
https://www.ammoland.com/2022/07/census-bureau-requesting-sales-records-gun-holster-companies/#axzz7ZCdS0dbg

Why Is Biden Monitoring Holsters?!?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEs9WN_BYoY

Now ammo

WHAT?!? Biden Now Tracking Ammo Sales??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rv6GzDmZ6s4
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #849 on: August 01, 2022, 09:07:07 AM »
Well, THAT'S an issue. Anyone want a Crossbow? Pay shipping and promise not to shoot cats or dogs and I'll send it to ya!
You want to take the fun out of everything.   :lol:
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