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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #475 on: June 05, 2022, 02:55:07 PM »
1,000% tax on "assault" weapons

A House Democrat plans to introduce a bill that would hit AR-15's with a 1,000% tax — and it could pass Congress without GOP votes
https://www.businessinsider.com/democrat-ar-15-rifles-tax-congress-gun-control-biden-administration-2022-6
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #476 on: June 05, 2022, 03:36:27 PM »
1,000% tax on "assault" weapons

A House Democrat plans to introduce a bill that would hit AR-15's with a 1,000% tax — and it could pass Congress without GOP votes
https://www.businessinsider.com/democrat-ar-15-rifles-tax-congress-gun-control-biden-administration-2022-6

I was just gonna post that. Can you imagine $20K ARs? How about when they really wanna get rid of combustion engine cars and a Toyota Corolla costs $100K after taxes?  I'm only a layman, but this has to be illegal/unconstitutional?
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #478 on: June 05, 2022, 03:43:31 PM »
I was just gonna post that. Can you imagine $20K ARs? How about when they really wanna get rid of combustion engine cars and a Toyota Corolla costs $100K after taxes?  I'm only a layman, but this has to be illegal/unconstitutional?

If it’s not unconstitutional it should be.  1000% tax is an effective ban.  Until they stack SCOTUS we might have a chance striking it down, if it gets passed.

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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #479 on: June 05, 2022, 05:50:29 PM »
Can you imagine all those who currently own ARs/AKs and/or own other "toys" and might take exception to such shenanigans? I bet they outnumber the military and and possibly police as well.

Glad I just acquired 2 33 round "giggle sticks" for my G19 to go with the 2 factory mags I already had. Hope paying $20 for the pair, NIB, wasn't too much.  =D  :old:
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #480 on: June 05, 2022, 06:54:20 PM »
Chris Murphy claims there won't be an "assault weapon" ban. That may be true, given what it would do to dems in November.

He suggests that red flag laws will be a shoe-in with plenty of R votes. I would not be surprised. Red Flag laws are the kinds of things establishment Rs love, in the same vein as the Patriot Act, etc. "Drop the hammer" legislation with no regard for unintended consequences and/or innocent or minor offenders getting the full hammer blow.

If there were an avenue to punish false accusers, it wouldn't be as bad, but like Title IX, we'll be seeing lots of innocent people's lives destroyed with zero repercussions for false and malicious accusers.

Note that the link below doesn't mention red flag laws, but when I read the story this morning, they had red flag laws in it. It has apparently been edited since.

https://www.businessinsider.com/murphy-bipartisan-gun-reform-no-assault-weapons-ban-background-checks-2022-6
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #481 on: June 05, 2022, 07:34:48 PM »
If it’s not unconstitutional it should be.  1000% tax is an effective ban.  Until they stack SCOTUS we might have a chance striking it down, if it gets passed.

The SC hasn't bothered to even hear one of the many possible court cases on state AW bans over years.  None of these have been overturned (permanently) by lower courts.

We will see soon if Amy Barrett is going to make any difference.  John Roberts would vote against us for sure.

Given how pathetic the court has been on guns for a decade, I don't think they are going to overturn any of the bans or licensing schemes.  Nothing the court has done has had any effect on the large majority of the USA.  It has only effected the extreme outliers (Washington DC).  The current case we are waiting on will presumably only effect the small number of states with may-issue CCW. 

If these states are forced to go shall issue, they will probably just make it obsecenely difficult and expensive to get a permit, and stack on banned locations... and every court will think that is just fine.

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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #482 on: June 05, 2022, 07:50:07 PM »
Chris Murphy claims there won't be an "assault weapon" ban. That may be true, given what it would do to dems in November.

He suggests that red flag laws will be a shoe-in with plenty of R votes. I would not be surprised. Red Flag laws are the kinds of things establishment Rs love, in the same vein as the Patriot Act, etc. "Drop the hammer" legislation with no regard for unintended consequences and/or innocent or minor offenders getting the full hammer blow.

If there were an avenue to punish false accusers, it wouldn't be as bad, but like Title IX, we'll be seeing lots of innocent people's lives destroyed with zero repercussions for false and malicious accusers.

Note that the link below doesn't mention red flag laws, but when I read the story this morning, they had red flag laws in it. It has apparently been edited since.

https://www.businessinsider.com/murphy-bipartisan-gun-reform-no-assault-weapons-ban-background-checks-2022-6

Supposedly the Red Flag law will be one of those we won’t give the states certain moneys unless they enact certain regulations things. Even our current congress knows they can’t enact this as Fed Law. I’ve personally thought that BS was unconstitutional all along, but SCOTUS being SCOTUS.

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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #483 on: June 05, 2022, 08:18:04 PM »
If wonder if Joe remembers saying this ...


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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #484 on: June 05, 2022, 10:47:55 PM »
I was just gonna post that. Can you imagine $20K ARs? How about when they really wanna get rid of combustion engine cars and a Toyota Corolla costs $100K after taxes?  I'm only a layman, but this has to be illegal/unconstitutional?

I don't know at what point it becomes unconscionable, but the federal government effectively did this with machine guns in 1934.  A $200 tax on a machine gun that might cost $200.  That appears to have stood the test of time.


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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #485 on: June 05, 2022, 11:50:28 PM »
I don't know at what point it becomes unconscionable, but the federal government effectively did this with machine guns in 1934.  A $200 tax on a machine gun that might cost $200.  That appears to have stood the test of time.

Yep.  Congressmen at the time felt that an outright ban on certain types of guns would be an unconstitutional infringement of the 2nd Amendment. They felt that a de facto ban using taxes would hold up in the courts.  Hard to see how that is any different from Jim Crow laws pricing the exercise of other rights out of reach for certain citizens.

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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #486 on: June 05, 2022, 11:55:57 PM »
I don't know at what point it becomes unconscionable, but the federal government effectively did this with machine guns in 1934.  A $200 tax on a machine gun that might cost $200.  That appears to have stood the test of time.



Google sez a Tommy-gun sold for $200 back in 1934 but the NFA tax, which frankly should have been ruled unconstitutional, and might have been overturned if Miller hadn’t died before SCOTUS heard his case, was still “only” a 100% tax for that gun.

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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #487 on: June 06, 2022, 12:02:37 AM »
If I want to make a suppressor, I have to buy that $200 tax stamp.
 
The thing will have maybe $20 worth of material in it. Maybe.
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #488 on: June 06, 2022, 12:12:00 AM »
$20 of material translates to probably $200-300 retail. 

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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #489 on: June 06, 2022, 01:19:34 AM »

He suggests that red flag laws will be a shoe-in with plenty of R votes. I would not be surprised. Red Flag laws are the kinds of things establishment Rs love, in the same vein as the Patriot Act, etc. "Drop the hammer" legislation with no regard for unintended consequences and/or innocent or minor offenders getting the full hammer blow.


I think he's right. We got whacked with a red flag law two or three years ago. The Republicans in the state legislature fell all over themselves voting for it.
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #490 on: June 06, 2022, 07:14:02 AM »
1,000% tax on "assault" weapons

A House Democrat plans to introduce a bill that would hit AR-15's with a 1,000% tax — and it could pass Congress without GOP votes
https://www.businessinsider.com/democrat-ar-15-rifles-tax-congress-gun-control-biden-administration-2022-6
The "assault weapon" will henceforth be priced at $1. The sling it comes with - an untaxed item - will be priced at $749.
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #491 on: June 06, 2022, 07:51:47 AM »
Google sez a Tommy-gun sold for $200 back in 1934 but the NFA tax, which frankly should have been ruled unconstitutional, and might have been overturned if Miller hadn’t died before SCOTUS heard his case, was still “only” a 100% tax for that gun.

According to https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/
$200 in 1934 = $4,315.06 in 2022

Be glad they haven't adjusted for inflation...yet
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #492 on: June 06, 2022, 10:35:47 AM »
What’s the bigger threat right now?  Red flag laws or 30 round magazines?

I see red flag laws loosely worded to the point where anyone can raise a warning and get your guns confiscated.  Due process out the window and years of legal fighting to get your guns back.

The above is a win/win for the left. 

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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #493 on: June 06, 2022, 10:42:22 AM »
What’s the bigger threat right now?  Red flag laws or 30 round magazines?

I see red flag laws loosely worded to the point where anyone can raise a warning and get your guns confiscated.  Due process out the window and years of legal fighting to get your guns back.

The above is a win/win for the left.

Red flag by far
10rd mag restrictions aren't going to have that big of effect no matter how much screaming is done over them.
Red Flag laws on the other hand open the door to being abused out the arse by anyone from the Karen next door to the govt.
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #494 on: June 06, 2022, 11:14:30 AM »
Red flag by far
10rd mag restrictions aren't going to have that big of effect no matter how much screaming is done over them.
Red Flag laws on the other hand open the door to being abused out the arse by anyone from the Karen next door to the govt.

Agreed.

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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #495 on: June 06, 2022, 11:16:22 AM »
Yep.  Congressmen at the time felt that an outright ban on certain types of guns would be an unconstitutional infringement of the 2nd Amendment. They felt that a de facto ban using taxes would hold up in the courts.  Hard to see how that is any different from Jim Crow laws pricing the exercise of other rights out of reach for certain citizens.

The justification for using taxing power was that under the 10th Amendment there was no power for the feds to regulate guns.  There is a federal power to "tax" to raise revenue.  They didn't care about the Second Amendment.  Back then the 10th Ammendment wasn't quite as dead as it is now.  Recall a new constitutional amendment was needed for Prohibition?

Of course, you are right about everything else- it is unconstitutional, given the tax isn't to raise revenue, but rather to screw over our rights.  But that doesn't stop congress anyway.  Expecting the judges appointed by the Federal government to limit its power in any meaningful way has not worked out.

The Constitution appears to have been a horrible mistake.  We should have stuck with the articles of confederation.

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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #496 on: June 06, 2022, 01:06:11 PM »
If I want to make a suppressor, I have to buy that $200 tax stamp.
 
The thing will have maybe $20 worth of material in it. Maybe.

I remember seeing monocore "solvent traps" on Alibaba for $6.99 a while back.
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #497 on: June 06, 2022, 01:33:03 PM »
Now there is "naked Hunter Biden with an illegal gun" imagery floating around, which should help cement Brandon's gun control push hypocrisy. The link is mostly eye safe.

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/06/06/a-naked-hunter-biden-is-there-any-other-kind-apparently-cant-help-but-further-kneecap-joe-bidens-gun-control-push/
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #498 on: June 06, 2022, 02:01:03 PM »
I remember seeing monocore "solvent traps" on Alibaba for $6.99 a while back.

The 9mm monocore on my AR-9 cost me $239.99 (+ shipping).  $200 of that was taxes.  I've seen some guntubers that did the even cheaper Chinese "fuel filters".  They'll work for pistol calibers.

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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #499 on: June 06, 2022, 02:15:07 PM »
Red flag by far
10rd mag restrictions aren't going to have that big of effect no matter how much screaming is done over them.
Red Flag laws on the other hand open the door to being abused out the arse by anyone from the Karen next door to the govt.

I also agree they’ll abuse the sh*t out of the red flag law.